A perspective I will agree with in a hot second. He was an asshole for committing adultery, and had his job not required “high crimes or misdemeanors” (ie: criminal action) to fire him, he damn well should have been out on his ass for doing it at work.
I don’t remember him well enough to say whether he was slimy or not, outside of taking advantage of an opportunity that he damn well oughtn’t have.
ITR champion
*I think Hillary is a terrible person.
Hillary, by contrast, is an opportunistic snake with no principles that she wouldn’t sacrifice for money or power. As exhibit A, we need only observe that she’s remained married to a serial sex predator.*
Like I said, no doubt he screwed up a time or two over decades. That is bad but hardly “serial”.
Wives often forgive a cheat or two.
He didn’t bring it. ITR champion did in post #89. DrDeth was disputing that claim.
OK, but hard to tell that when he quoted me. I mean who read posts by ITR champion?
Uh, what?
Juanita Broadrick says that she was violently attacked and raped by Bill Clinton in her hotel room in 1978. She told many other people about this shortly after it happened, and at least one saw her injuries. It is true that on one occasion Broadrick denied the story, but only once and other than that her testimony has been very consistent.
Kathleen Willey was a Democratic campaign workers and fundraiser. She says that Bill Clinton groped her and kissed her against her will, in the White House, in 1993. She also told multiple other people about the assault shortly after it happened.
Paula Jones says that Clinton had her escorted his hotel room by a police officer while he was governor of Arkansas, where he exposed himself, masturbated in front of her, demanded oral sex, and made vague threats of what he would do if she didn’t comply. Jones sued, the case was thrown out not because of any evidence that the allegations were false, but rather because the judge believed that Clinton’s actions weren’t sexual harassment (hah!). That judgement was overturned on appeal and eventually Clinton settled the case. Arkansas state troopers have also said that they participated in procuring women for Clinton.
Leslie Millwee alleges that Clinton assault her multiple times before be became President.
And then there’s Christy Zercher, Sandra Allan James, Carolyn Moffet, Eileen Wellstone, …
So a lot more than three women making allegations against Bill Clinton and none of them have been proved false. On top of which, we know that Bill Clinton had affairs with multiple women and lied through his teeth about it for years, then eventually admitted that some of them were telling the truth. So it being a provable fact that Bill Clinton is a philanderer and liar, what reason is there to believe him when he denies the claims made by Broadrick, Willey, et al? All available evidence points to him being a serial sex criminal.
Wiki only mentions three and of the three, one is Willey (wiki) :Linda Tripp, the Clinton Administration staffer who secretly taped her phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky in order to expose the latter’s affair with the president, testified under oath that Willey’s sexual contact with President Clinton in 1993 was consensual, that Willey had been flirting with the president, and that Willey was happy and excited following her 1993 encounter with Clinton.[3] Six other friends of Willey confirmed Tripp’s account in sworn testimony, stating that Willey had sought a sexual relationship with the president.[4] Ken Starr, who had deposed Willey in the course of investigating Clinton’s sexual history, determined that she had lied under oath repeatedly to his investigators. Starr and his team therefore concluded that there was insufficient evidence to pursue her allegations further STARR dropped her.
**But this is a hijack, so enough **. It has little to do with Hillary.
Unlike her husband, Hillary did not start off wanting to be a politician. But just because she doesn’t have the personality to greet crowds, smile, and hug babies, does that mean she hates babies?
You phrase this as though you know the correct answer, and want to assess how knowledgeable we are. Wow. How many guesses do we get? 
Facts? You bring facts to a blather-twitter fight? The following post should put you in your place:
@ LiveFree — So who, in your esteemed opinion, shows true empathy? Bozo the Clown? Donald the Trump?
It’s fascinating, though, how Hillary gets so routinely blamed for her husband’s infidelity. If she had divorced him, those same people would probably hold it against her for not keeping her vows.
Nearly everyone in Congress is a terrible person. If we kept this in mind, the world would be a better place.
Reason magazine is not right wing. It is a reliable source and I read it because it provides so much information that the liberal media prefers not to report. It’s a fact that Hillary has a lengthy record of supporting unconstitutional attacks on civil liberties, first when her husband was President and later as a Senator. For Democrats during the 2016 campaign, this fact was highly embarrassing, so they just chose not to talk about it. Reason did a good service by reporting what the Hillary campaign wanted everyone to forget.
And of course you choose lazy ad hominems against the source rather than actually dealing with the facts.
What’s your point? As First Lady, Hillary praised her husband when he tried to cancel the First Amendment. As Senator, she voted for more of the same.
Which demonstrates why we shouldn’t blindly trust Wiki.
Since nearly every politician is terrible, then that word loses meaning when used by you.
Hardly reliable when they report she tried to violate the 1st Ad by several bills that not only did she not vote for,* she wasn’t even in Office to vote for.
*
And "tried cancel the First Amendment"? :rolleyes::rolleyes: By passing bipartisan Campaign finance rules, of which a small part was later overturned by the widely criticized Citizen’s united dec. If that is “trying to cancel the First amendmendment”, :rolleyes: we need more of it.
But that is such a ridiculous over the top statement that nothing you have posted has any credibility.
She is a hypocrite and a liar. Proof you ask for? Check out her stand on gay marriage and just when it was that she decided that it would maybe be alright and not result in cataclysm. She is a political opportunist of the 1st degree and has never held a conviction firmer than bathroom.
Check out her response to the sexual assaults perpetrated by her husband.
Not at all a good person.
She’d have been a better choice than Trump but only marginally and that is a very low fucking bar to begin with.
But that “only once” was as an affidavit sworn under oath. The other times? Not so much. So not really very consistent.
As I’ve said before: I can understand by Broadrick might lie about being attacked and I can understand why Broadrick might lie about not being attacked but given her significant and multiple story changes I cannot given more credence to one version over another. Bill was definitely a lying, cheating sleezebag but a sexual assailant? I dunno.
It never seizes to amaze me how much pure hatred there lives amongst people against Mrs. Clinton. I’ve never been able to put that in a proper perspective nor have I been able to determine the exact source from where it started. It seems to somehow date back to the post Lewinsky days, but that’s as far as I get. Trump didn’t start the fire. He cunningly used it during his campaign and still uses it as a distraction whenever possible, but she was already branded as demon from hell long before that. Talk radio may have played a role, but it would be overrating Limbaugh and Hannity to say they are capable of creating such mass hysteria (which is the proper term IMO). I am not a supporter, not at all, but in all objective fairness she does not deserve to be hated with a vengeance. I really-really-really don’t like Trump. I think he is a moron who is a danger to the country and to the world…but I don’t hate him. I didn’t like Bush and I had serious issues with many people in his administration. In my opinion (not up for debate) they are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. May karma rain down on them, but I still don’t feel any hate towards them. If I’m honest, then I feel mostly indifferent towards Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and other great dictators worthy of my hatred, but in my defense…I’m not that old.
So why Hillary Rodham Clinton? What makes her stand out from other politicians who you disagree with? What makes her so hateable? What makes her…not an opponent, but an enemy?
The Republicans have pursued and persecuted Hillary Clinton with the kind of verve that Senator Joe McCarthy had in his Communist witch hunts of the fifties, and they have never been able to prove anything criminal. So, in essence, they have proved to me the exact OPPOSITE of what they intended.
I remember what convinced me to never watch Fox News again. They were witch hunting Obama (as usual), and a female commentator said with all seriousness and anger that he should be impeached because he wore a tan suit to church on Easter Sunday … IMPEACHED BECAUSE HE WORE A TAN SUIT TO CHURCH ON EASTER SUNDAY. Let that sink in.
To sum it up, this constant ongoing campaign to paint Hillary Clinton as evil incarnate is the biggest load of crap since Paul Bunyon’s ox took his last dump. I can’t state it any plainer or more emphatically than that.
It’s because she’s in the public eye and dares to be a strong capable woman. Simple misogyny.
Ask yourself this. If she was a man, would the hatred be the same?
Yes. Recall that Jackie Kennedy, media darling of the left, and Melania Trump, media darling of the right, tolerated husbands’ philandering far more extreme than Bill Clinton’s. Yet those First Ladies are accepted, while Hillary’s support for Bill is near the top of the list when people explain how horrible she is. :smack:
The irrational hatred against Hillary has one benefit though. We can browse through a thread like this and learn which posters have bought totally into bullshit from the right-wing Lie Machine; and know that nothing will be lost if we ignore their opinions on all political topics.
Although it appears that she has somehow adopted the hatred towards Bill (and absolved him in the process), there are plenty of other women in politics who are not hated. Take Nancy Pelosi for example. Nobody seems to particularly like her, but she is not accused of siding with Beelzebub.
Hillary’s evolution on gay marriage has a very similar timeline to mine. I think it was the argument on this board against Prop 8 that shifted me in favor. And I don’t think I was a bad person for my thoughts evolving on the issue. I did think other types of discrimination against gays should have a higher priority - job discrimination, taking the AIDS crisis seriously, having homosexuality not classified as a mental illness. As for her marriage and her relationship with her husband - it’s hers and Bill’s to work out. There are people who stay married to murderers; there are parents who maintain relationships with their criminal children. They are still people, who for all you know, love. Hillary Clinton chose to side with her husband. A whole lot of women do, especially church-going women (and Hillary reminds me of so many United Methodist women of her age). The misogyny is so very deep.
Not to mention Lady Bird, Barbara, Laura and Eleanor. In fact is sometimes seems that the President who wasn’t a horndog is the exception.:eek:
Good point.
I have heard her called worse, including the Antichrist. Republicans despise that woman, due to her effectiveness.