Spoil Stargate SG-1 for me

The last few seasons, anyway.

Space is way behind the American showings, so I don’t know what’s been going on.

Which meant I was very confused for the first episode of Stargate Atlantis.

When did the Stargate program become truely international? Last I saw it was the US and the Russians - and the Russians were only there because the yanks didn’t really have a choice. Now ‘over a dozen countries’ are involved - including Canada, Ireland, and Germany.

When (and how?!?) did Jack get promoted? How is he in charge? Did something happen to Hammond?

Is Daniel the only SG-1 member involved in the Antarctic program? (Other than Jack’s apparent command of it.) What’s up with Sam and Teal’c?

Uhm…well, that’s all, I guess.

Setup for Atlantis (and the last few eps of the last SG1 season):

On some planet, the team runs into another one of the head-sucker information machines. The last time they’d run into one it grabbed O’Neill, crammed the knowledge of the Ancients into his brain, and eventually led to first contact with the Asgard (to remove said knowledge before it overloaded O’Neill’s brain and killed him). A few moments after finding this new one, the team is under attack by Go’auld. Rather than let it fall into enemy hands, O’Neill sticks his head in it again then destroys it before escaping through the gate.

Problem: The Asgard aren’t coming to the rescue this time. They’re spread incredibly thin fighting the Replicators, and nobody’s answering the SGC’s calls. While O’Neill can still communicate in English Daniel grills him on possible locations of the Lost City.

Another problem: Anubis is heading for Earth with his super ultra mega mothership, and with his fallen Ascended powers and super soldiers is a major threat not just to Earth but to everything in the galaxy.

O’Neill loses the capability of speech, but dials an unknown address into the gate. Following him, the team find what appears to be a deserted Ancient outpost. O’Neill pulls something (the first appearance of the Z(ed)PM, seen in Atlantis and some of the recent eps of SG1) out of the floor and messes around with some sort of map. It pinpoints the location of the Lost City: Earth!

Everybody heads back to Earth. There’s no Lost City, but O’Neill uncovers another outpost in Antarctica. He pulls something out of the floor and replaces it with the one he took from the first outpost, then sits in a glowy chair. This activates the Ancient Defense Mechanism, which blows seventeen kinds of crap out of Anubis (see: the drone that went nuts in the opening moments of the pilot Atlantis episode). O’Neill unplugs himself from the chair and puts himself in suspended animation before the Ancient knowledge makes his head a splode.

All these fireworks don’t go unnoticed by the international community, which is why the Stargate program had to be revealed to all these other governments. They’re naturally miffed and demand to be part of the 'Gate program, and they can’t all be ignored like the Russians.

Carter and T’ealc make their way to the last known location of the Replicators (the ‘homeworld’ which had been trapped in a time-dilation device to imprision them for a few thousand years until something better could be figured out to deal with them) to look for the Asgard in order to save O’Neill. Sure enough, Thor’s there but didn’t pick up all the SGC distress calls because the time-dilation was messing with his communications. The Replicators have mucked around with the time doohicky and it’s a) failed to work and b) made them even more powerful. Thor beams O’Neill aboard and hooks him up to his ship’s computer for a moment in order to talk with him without killing him. O’Neill in his hyperintelligent state whips up a funky raygun prototype, but Thor has to remove the Ancient knowledge from O’Neill’s brain before he can explain what it is. Five (the humanoid Replicator with feelings) feels betrayed by Carter (because he was) and captures her while the Reps attack Thor’s ship. O’Neill’s funky ray turns out to be a Replicator blaster (it reduces them to their component Lego blocks and makes those inert so they can’t combine again), and he rescues Sam from Five’s clutches. Thor adapts O’Neill’s funky ray into a shipboard cannon, and cleanses an Asgard colony of Replicators. Five escapes and builds a naked Carter clone, promising sweet sweet revenge.

While all this was going on, back at the SGC Hammond was replaced by Weir (a civilian! Egad!). It turns out Hammond was promoted to the Pentagon, and Weir’s taking his place. She and Daniel completely fail to create a treaty with some of the remaining Go’auld System Lords concerning the power vacuum left by Anubis’s death. Lord Yu is in particular tricky; he’s refused to change hosts for so long that he’s going senile, but nobody dares mention it.

Weir also fails to inspire any confidence as a leader in the SGC. She’s phased out in the last episode of last season; O’Neill’s promoted to Brigadier General. Weir gets to lead the Atlantis team; O’Neill takes over the SGC operations. The first thing O’Neill does is promote Carter to Colonel and make her team leader of SG1.

Good news: The System Lords all fear Earth because we took out Anubis. Bad news: we don’t have the juice to fire the defenses again, so it’s a huge bluff.

Atlantis was on Earth, but now it’s not. The Ancients packed up and left thousands of years ago, but they left a forwarding address. This address is in a far-off galaxy; so far that the power requirements of Gate travel mean that they’ll only get one shot to open a link there.

T’ealc grows hair. Nobody explains why it’s a different color from the chin thing he had a few years ago.

Because they realise the chin thing was a Very Bad Idea and want no reminders of it?

(Seriously, it looked ridiculous.)

New question:

So, is Daniel still a member of SG-1, or has he been permanently reassigned to the Earth side of the Atlantis project? Oh…and is Cheyenne Mountain still around, or is Antarctica the only 'gate going?

And Anubis is gone? Damn, and the Wraith beat the Ancients against those weapons? :eek:

Daniel is still with SG-1, which Carter now commands. The Atlantis project supposed to (as part of the storyline) function as a standalone colony until such time as they can generate enough power to get back to earth.

Anubis is still alive, but doing the Sauron/Voldemort disembodied spirit thing. He was suckered into being gated to a very cold, unpopulated, and remote planet, however.

FWIW, Hammond is gone because Don Davis wanted to retire from the show. I believe he’s on the hook for a few guest appearances, however.

Why am I still awake? Any spelling errors can be attributed to tired fingers, though I can’t explain why I kept misplacing Teal’c’s apostrophe.

Daniel’s still in SG1. O’Neill’s having trouble finding a fourth to fill in the last spot on his former team. Of course, the Russians want one of their men to be on the flagship group, but every time one comes into consideration he dies mysteriously of the redshirt disease.

Gates… At first there was the one owned by the US (the “original” found in Egypt). Then we found out that the Russians had one and were using it to do their own exploring (as in the episode with the water-being, guest-starring Merina Sertis). After that was the Antarctic one (Jack and Sam were stuck in a glacier after accidentally coming through that one).

One was destroyed a few seasons ago, sacrificing the X-302 in the process. The US bought the Russian one to replace it. The one from the Antarctic was brought to Area 51, and some black-ops folks were messing around with it. I’m not sure what happened to that one. Whichever one’s being used, it’s in Cheyenne Mountain now.

Anubis isn’t entirely gone, but I don’t want to spoil this season for you. And nobody’s explained how the Wraith beat the Ancients yet, so your guess is as good as mine.

'k, so when Jack said ‘I need [Daniel] here’ in the first episode of Atlantis, he just meant ‘On Earth’, not ‘At the Antatctic base’. Gotcha.

And I think you’ve confused me about the 'Gates…

There’s 2 'Gates on Earth, now that the one is blown up real good, right? The one at Cheyenne and the one in the Antarctic they used to get to Atlantis? If that’s not the case I’m MIGHTY confused as to what’s going on.

There isn’t a gate in Antarctica. In Stargate: Atlantis they used the one in the SGC to go to Atlantis. I think the gate that was in Antartica is in a box somewhere, having been re-captured from the NID henchmen that were using it a couple of seasons ago. The one in the SGC was the one from the Russians, after the original was blown up in space because of Annubis’ (or was it some other badguy?) turn-the-gate-into-a-bomb weapon was used on it.

I think. Actually, at this point they’ve switched the gates around so many times it’s like a shell game to remember which one is which. I don’t even remember how the Russians got ahold of one in the first place.

Apart from the last episode of last season SG-1 and the first episode of Atlantis, there’s not much overlap between the two shows. They’re both pretty standalone at this point.

That way, when Sci-Fi runs out of money and cuts their budgets to nothing, they can both wind up with a whole season set in Las Vegas and not bother to explain why they don’t run into each other.

The Russians got ahold of it when Thor’s replicator infested ship transported the CM gate onboard so SG-1 could escape. The ship broke up in the atmosphere and crashed into the ocean. That’s why the Antarctic Gate wound up in CM.

The Russians sent a sub to investigate, found the gate, and also brought aboard the space cooties that survived atmospheric re-entry. SG-1 had to deal with the sub.

There was an interview with Amanda Tapping (Carter) on gateworld.net, in which she explained that only Jack and Daniel could be in the Atlantis pilot, because their characters were in the original movie. I didn’t quite get it, but it was some sort of copyright thing. Apparently other characters can cross over later, but just not in the pilot. (Unfortunately I can’t find the interview anymore!)

Well, I’ve missed most of last season, all of this season and haven’t seen Atlantis yet so…

Is Gen. O’Neill basically filling the role that Gen. Hammond used to? Hard to picture him having a purely administrative function now…does he ever go through the gate anymore?

Pretty much. They are using his discomfort in the role for comic relief (at least partly). He’s just the guy you want picking out the color of bunting for the President’s visit.

So…instead of unpacking the original Antarctic Gate, they packed up the Atlantis project crew and their gear, and moved to Cheyenne?

That seems horribly inefficient.

But that’s what happens when there is only one gate on the planet.

Besides, it’s not all that far. The sound stages for both shows are next door to each other.

There was never a gate at the Antarctic site of the Lost City. There was one in the Antarctic somewhere (maybe close by) which got discovered in an earlier season. Since then, they’ve been playing musical StarGates and at least one has been lost.

Gate A was in Cheyenne Mountain. Gate B was buried in the Antarctic. Gate A got teleported in Thor’s ship so SG-1 could escape the crash. Gate B was then moved to Cheyenne mountain. The Russians recovered Gate A. (Which they started using, even though the Antarctic episode established that only one gate can be used at a time on a given planet – at least as a home address. Shrug.) Then, a Goa’uld discovered a way to overload a Stargate, so ONeill had to fling Gate B into space. So I think we got Gate A back from the Russians. (Except that I have a vague recollection that the Tokra had to bring us a new gate, which may mean that there was one more gate-destroyed episode that I can’t remember.)
BTW, did anyone notice the complete howler in the episode in which Carter and O’Neill are trapped in the Antarctic gate? O’Neill is minutes away from death and Carter is in pretty bad shape when SG1 figures out where they are and dispatches help from MacMurdo. * But General Hammond is there too *, despite the fact that even with the full cooperation of the Air Force, it would probably take two days of flying to get from Cheyenne Mountain to Antarctica. Unless Stargate Command had a few Asgard teleporters or a working Death Glider lying around, that’s just not possible.

(Note that this happens a lot on the show – Cheyenne Mountain seems to be mere minutes from just about anywhere, but especially from Washington, D.C.)

Well technically he is an Air force general. He can Helicopter to the Air Force Academy in 15 minutes, then be on an F-16D heading somewhere at mach 2. I have no idea what sort of route you’d have to take to Mcmurdo(whether you have to detour to Autralia to refuel, or what). C-141 can land at Mcmurdo, so I’d imagine an f-16 can easily.

Argh…this Musical Gates is making my head hurt.

What I’m getting from all this is that there have been either 2 or 3 gates on Earth, and either 1 or 2 left after the one blew up.

Space’s airings have reset so many times, I can’t get a good idea of when things are happening, but I’m remembering the Russians before the NID crap which would require 3 'gates.

Never heard of -141’s landing at McMurdo, but ski-equipped C-130’s do. They don’t have any ski-equipped F-16’s that I’m aware of. The Norwegians don’t even have those.

They have a runway for wheeled planes that is usuable most of the year, I’m not sure exactly how close to Mcmurdo it is though, so you might need another copter ride.

I’m pretty sure that you go through New Zealand to get to MacMurdo. But it’s a 2500 mile jump from LA to Hawaii (pretty much the max range for an F-16), and then approx a 5000 mile jump to New Zealand, followed by maybe 1500-2000 to MacMurdo. So the best conceivable time using Earth technology would be around 8 hours. Except that I’m pretty sure that you go through fuel pretty fast at Mach 2, so you’d probably have to refuel every 1000 mile sor so, and I’m dubious that you can keep up Mach 2 for 10 or 12 consecutive hours. So you’re right that it’s sort of theoretically technically feasible to get someone from Cheyenne Mountain to Antarctica in 12 hours, but no way would it happen in “real” life.

The Russians found their gate on the ocean floor; IIRC it survived (being made of practically indestructable material) when the replicator-infested ship crashed. The already had a dial-up device which they had found in Germany during WWII, the Germans having found it in Egypt and brought it home.