It’s basically Chekhov’s Gun (Chekhov’s Phaser?). If they’re not the same, there’s been some sloppy writing
Wait, so it’s sloppy writing regardless of whether the Borg Queen ends up being Picard’s Mother. Like, no matter what the writers do, its wrong? That’s what it sounds like anyway.
Sort of.
The writers had an Option C - “just pick one”: introduce Picard’s mother or bring back the Borg Queen.
Instead they’re trying to have the best of both (worlds) and will likely instead get the worst.
Actually, I guess there was an Option D: do something else entirely.
Option E is to just watch something else, right?
Maybe it’s not that they are the same person, maybe there is something to do with his childhood relationship with his mother and possible early life trauma that he will bring to the table as a way to deal with the Borg Queen and save the timeline. Why is that not a possibility that doesn’t = writers are terrible?
I swear sometimes it seems like people are only watching stuff to try to pick it apart. I guess I just don’t have that mindset. I want to enjoy myself watching this kind of stuff, not immediately try to undermine my own good time by always assuming the worst about everything as the show unfolds. That’s just me though.
You’re welcome to watch what you please, just as I am. Our opinions don’t have to line up.
I am genuinely sorry if my take on the show reduces your enjoyment of it. That truly is not my intent.
At the same time, it’s not like it is anybody’s intent (at least of the posts I’ve seen in this thread so far) to simply dump on the show or the writing. The reason many of us watch is because it involves characters and settings we enjoyed 30 years ago and hope to continue enjoying. And there are legitimate criticisms, even if not everybody agrees with those.
No, that’s not what I said at all. Nothing I read here is going to alter my actual lived experience of watching the show. I’m just wondering why some people seem to not even want to allow themselves to try to like something. We had people declaring the show bad after one episode. One. That’s not even allowing oneself to create an informed opinion. It reads more to me as reaching for any possible way to criticize and find reasons to trash a piece of content from the jump.
Everyone’s opinion is valid, and I’m not trying to say otherwise. In fact, I already started a thread about this concept I’m describing above, which generated a lot of good feedback, so we don’t have to continue on this tangent.
I think the “new” Borg Queen is indeed likely to be someone familiar, but I’d pick Seven as just as likely (if not more so) than Picard’s mom. Also could well be someone like Beverly Crusher from Picard’s past.
I think the ‘new’ borg queen will simply be the ‘old’ borg queen (as saved from the altFuture) but she will have evolved some. And the encounter in ep1 was intended as peaceful and Picard’s mistake was not trusting it and allowing the rest of the crew to go nuts on her and blowed up the stargazer. So, he found out what an alt earth built on hate looks like, and he gets to go back and fix something to prevent it.
The Borg Queen is Mom only occurred to me when RedLetterMedia brought up the possibility. Before that I didn’t think the Queen was supposed to be a mystery at all since we already have met her on multiple occasions (although they did take the time to put her in a mask for this one but that didn’t really mean anything to me when I watched).
Beyond the “Look up” line, I see no indication that the Borg Queen is Picard’s mother. You’d think he would recognize her, but so far, crickets.
Personally I think the reason why this could end up happening is because Akiva Goldsman is a fucking hack. That’s all the reason we need to get it into the show even though it doesn’t make one damn bit of sense.
Right, that’s reserved for the Discovery thread.
You’d think someone in a country of 65 million people that has a pretty robust military and civil aerial surveillance system would notice something like that.
That episode wasn’t the first episode of the show, it was the eleventh.
OK season.
Still, the story of this season was one episode in. It’s fine to hate it that quickly, it’s all subjective. Just seems a bit quick to already declare it awful.
That’s one thing I can accept - 25th Century military spacecraft might have passive stealth systems that are so advanced that they’re even undetectable when crashing.
(Of course, that doesn’t make the actual crash invisible).
“Shit I stole from the Borg Queen” is now my favourite Star Trek line ever.
The producers seem oddly obsessed about Whoopi’s aging if they wernt going to use her for the 2024 scenes. She looks much as she did then. Its not like she looked like a teenager in the 19th century TNG eps.
Speaking of, is she now supposed to have time-travelled back to the 1800s from some time far after 2024? And just pretended she didn’t know Picard? Are the writers pretending those episodes never happened?
Are we supposed to already know who the woman at the end is, because I didn’t recognize her. (But I assume she is an astronaut for a Europa mission?)
I didn’t either…was Q “Kurtzman monologuing” to her? I guess?