What he needs is more loyalty oaths. The important thing is to keep them pledging !
In the criminal court system, wouldn’t this constitute jury tampering?
It would, although the two instances are insufficiently analogous to contend any legal issues with what Graham is doing.
Sure, Graham is basically asking the Republicans to agree that there is no crime, corruption or treason that they will not excuse and cover up if committed by one of their own regardless of the evidence presented, but that’s hardly news to those of us who have been paying attention.
Did any of you actually read the story and look at the quotes? None of what you are saying is what Sen Graham is proposing.
The article linked above had the misleading title “Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’.”
Apparently nobody clicked except Mr. Kitchen (maybe!), Mr. Manson and, only after Manson’s urging, me. Normally I wouldn’t want to soil my eyes with Graham’s excreta — he’s a disgrace among Senate Republicans, a very low bar — but his turd was much more limited in its stench than Mr. Kitchen implies:
Several lessons:
(1) PLEASE let’s not exaggerate Republican lies, crimes and treasons. If we have to exaggerate (or lie) to wake Americans up, then we’ve fallen to the level of the traitors subverting our democracy.
(2) Many news items can be summarized with a brief excerpt as I’ve done above. If it’s worth posting, it’s worth quoting an excerpt.
(3) Dopers generally do NOT click links. Many even get bitter: “I’m supposed to click a YouTube without you first providing a transcript? Bah!” From MUCH experience I can say it sucks when Dopers attack the messenger without clicking his links, but that’s life.
He is asking them to state their views on Trump’s guilt in advance of a hypothetical impeachment trial. How, exactly, would you frame that request in a more flattering light?
So I said:
How am I wrong here? Is he not asking his Republican colleagues to pre-judge the issue before evidence is presented?
Not sure which thread this one goes in – I’ll go with the generic “Republican” one since the tie to Criminal One is tangential (at least compared to a lot of other stuff into which his tiny fingers are immersed up to the wrists):
It reads to me that he is asking them to sign on to the opinion that the Ukraine phone call is not an impeachable offense. He’s not talking about any other evidence, or Trump’s guilt.
It’s definitely not “Lindsey Graham wants Senate Republicans to sign a pledge not to vote for convicting Individual 1 during impeachment”
And speaking of Lindsey Graham, the old trope of Republican hypocrisy rears its ugly head:
and if that wasn’t enough
Well, in my opinion, it’s walking a pretty fine fucking line.
Fair enough. I’m cool with that.
Oops, apologies to BigAppleBucky, he actually posted the second quote in late May.
One of Rudy’s indicted Ukraine pals gave thousands of dollars to Kevin McCarthy and Pete Sessions.
First let me state some of my opinions:
Lindsey Graham should be waterboarded and sent to prison for life. Likewise Trump.
The Ukraine phone call is clear evidence IMO of felony and treason.
HOWEVER:
Trump has committed 143 impeachable offenses by my count, that we know about. For many of them we don’t yet have details, evidence, legal opinions.
Trump committed one (1) offense that is in the news lately, and which was the only offense Graham referred to. That offense is as clear as a freshly-washed window. Trump has even released an official summary of the call. It’s easy to form an opinion about the guilt on that crime. Yet we hear the claim
“I ask Republicans to acquit of all 143 charges even though we’ve not heard the evidence, AND acquit of whatever untold crimes may come to light”
is almost the same as
“I ask Republicans to agree that the Ukrainian call, whose contents are rather well known, was not an impeachable offense.”
Ooo-kayyy [walks away slowly]
Paraphrasing Graham’s ugly statement to be a completely different ugly statement is exactly the sort of thing for which we call out the Party of Lies, Greed and Hatred in this very thread.
Come on. We’re better than them.
You know, this is exactly why I think it is going to be so hard for the Republican Party to turn on Trump in any real way. Including Moscow Mitch and the rest of the crew.
They are all IN IT UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS. If Trump goes down, they know he will take the whole house of cards down with him.
For Shithead Graham, the very next step will be:
“And therefore, Trump is completely innocent and all lines of investigation into anything whatsoever should be stopped. WITCH HUNT!!”
It’s disingeneous shit on the part of Graham, and I call it out as such.
Lindsey Graham is a shithead? Definitely. Disingenuous? Absolutely. Utters plenty of shit-speech that should be condemned? You betcha.
So why do we need to invent something he MIGHT say in the future and condemn that? :smack:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/atlanta-braves-tomahawk-chop-georgia-republicans-nlds
“Some Georgia Republicans blamed the Atlanta Braves’ blowout loss to the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 5 of the National League Division Series on the club nixing giving away foam tomahawks to fans.”
Or maybe the Braves just weren’t good enough? I wonder why they lost last year. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the…
(BTW, it’s Fox News, so the comments are priceless.)