[QUOTE=Mama Tiger]
I thought he said, “If it was really love, he would have given you the immunity necklace.” Has anybody listened to it again to verify what exactly he said?
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I’m not 100% sure what Jeff said, but he was obviously talking about the individual immunity idol hanging around Adam’s next, not some secret second idol. Adam won it in the challenge, and was asked before the vote if he was giving it to anyone, which he declined.
I think the reason people got pissed at Jonathan wasn’t so much that he was bragging about the food, but he was just so loud and obnoxious about it-- spilling stuff and burping all over the place and just being a pig in general. He’s an arogant asshole, and I wouldn’t want to have to hang around with him.
As to what to do next, I think they have to get rid of Adam if he doesn’t win immunity. Put up with Jonathan for at least one more cycle because they don’t want to get to a situation where Adam wins immunity when there are only 5 people left. After last night, I think Adam is the biggest threat to win immunity. Parvati is a good swimmer, but that’s about it and Jonathan hasn’t been much good at all. So, the order is: Adam, Jonathan, Parvati.
Do the rules allow for people to gang up on someone in the IICs? If so, Yul and Ozzy should tackle Adam and let one of the chicks, or even Jonathan, win immunity so they can get rid of Adam quickly. And I hope the next reward challenge is a “break the other guy’s tile” challenge-- that might rock the boat a little in the main alliance, especially between Yul and Ozzy.
Can’t wait until next week-- this is great!
[QUOTE=John Mace]
I think the reason people got pissed at Jonathan wasn’t so much that he was bragging about the food, but he was just so loud and obnoxious about it-- spilling stuff and burping all over the place and just being a pig in general. He’s an arogant asshole, and I wouldn’t want to have to hang around with him.
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I can only go by what I’ve seen, but he doesn’t seem to be either arrogant or an asshole. He’s a bit abrasive, but no more so than most people on the show and certainly less than Adam, Nate and Parvati.
[QUOTE=RikWriter]
I can only go by what I’ve seen, but he doesn’t seem to be either arrogant or an asshole. He’s a bit abrasive, but no more so than most people on the show and certainly less than Adam, Nate and Parvati.
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Agree. He’s alluded to the age difference being the real real reason for the clash, and I think he’s right. Adam, Nate, Candace, Parvati et al still have that teenager-like smarminess and unearned smugness: Anyone who dares suggest that they do something or expects anything of them is just being an asshole. They act like children, he acts like an adult who’s not going to tiptoe around them, and so he’s automatically characterized as a jerk.
I was surprised to see the others jump on that bandwagon too, though. I’d much rather hang out with Johnathan than those young jerks.
Johnathan was told last week that Yul wanted to take him to F2 because he knew Johnathan couldn’t win the final vote. He was told to his face before this episode that he was a liar, a snake, untrustworthy, and all that. He knows people don’t like his defecting from Aitu, and he knows they don’t like his going back to Yul’s alliance. Candice dropped him like a dead fish after he jumped from Raro. That people just stated for the first time in front of Jeff that they don’t like him does not make it news. Also, people in Raro were calling him a traitor for leaving Aitu. Not one word did they say about Candice being a traitor for doing exactly the same thing.
As far as his behavior–he spilled maybe a quarter of that beer. He ate a hot dog, some fries, an entire pizza, and drank a beer, and they showed him burping once. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
[QUOTE=Zakalwe]
That is how it was last season, but this time the instructions were clear that it can be used up to and including the Final 4 TC.
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I don’t remember hearing that. i’ve been digging through online recaps and can’t find the quote, but I’m pretty sure Jeff said something similar to last season, that it can “get you through to the final 4.” can anyone confirm?
[QUOTE=gonzoron]
I don’t remember hearing that. i’ve been digging through online recaps and can’t find the quote, but I’m pretty sure Jeff said something similar to last season, that it can “get you through to the final 4.” can anyone confirm?
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From TWOP:
[QUOTE=Zakalwe]
From TWOP:
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wow… thanks. I guess I didn;t catch all the instructions when he found it. Then Yul’s pretty much guaranteed a win now, I think.
Also, you can’t steal it. If they don’t have video of somebody handing it to somebody else, it didn’t happen.
Have to chime in and say I don’t think I’d have any problems hanging with Jonathan either. Seems like he is probably a bit of a loudmouth self-promoter, but that shouldn’t be much of a surprise since you pretty much need to be somewhat of an attention whore to wanna go on Survivor. But he seems pretty upfront to me. At least he has something to say and he pulls his fair share. Doesn’t strike me as particularly underhanded.
Nor does it seem he is pursuing some secret agenda. Instead, he is looking out for himself - another characteristic that should not be surprising in a Survivor contestant.
This 45-year old gets a kick out of seeing clueless, lazy youngsters getting pawned (is that the correct hip terminology?) on Survivor.
And yeah - Yul is an incredible stud on countless levels.
[QUOTE=Dinsdale]
This 45-year old gets a kick out of seeing clueless, lazy youngsters getting pawned (is that the correct hip terminology?) on Survivor.
And yeah - Yul is an incredible stud on countless levels.
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I believe the current phraseology is “pwnt” (without the quotes).
And I’m going to add that I also love Jonathan, just a little bit. Not in the same way that I love Ozzy, but if I ran into Jonathan in a bar somewhere, I’d totally buy him a beer or twelve. I love that he just flatly refuses to put up with anybody’s shit. I love that he doesn’t seem to care if Yul calls him a snake, so long as Yul says it sans whine-age. I love that he ate that hot dog and that pizza and that beer with such gusto, and then still had money left to get toothpaste. I love that he’s willing to pimp his vote out for a little bit of conversation that doesn’t involve giggling and that Gwen-Stefani-style eyelid-batting tic-thing. I kind of think I love him like my dad, a little bit, and I wish it weren’t against the rules for players to hit each other, because I would love more than anything in the world for Jonathan to give Parvati and Adam a couple of dozen much-needed dopeslaps.
Of course, Ozzy is still my favorite, because the only thing cooler than a curly-headed moppet, or a monkey, is a curly-headed moppet who is part monkey.
[QUOTE=RikWriter]
I can only go by what I’ve seen, but he doesn’t seem to be either arrogant or an asshole. He’s a bit abrasive, but no more so than most people on the show and certainly less than Adam, Nate and Parvati.
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Just look at the way he broke the cardinal rule of Survivor-- don’t boss people around. He’s arogant because he thinks that all he has to do is say something and everyone will see the ultimate logic of his ideas. You have to be persuasive in this game. Sometimes you have to just go along to get along, but you never put yourself in the position of being the angry parent. Yes, the young crew was lazy and undisciplined, but there are better ways to deal with that.
I particularly noticed the “one burp” because he never made any attempt to watch out where the burp was aimed or apologize for it. You don’t just burp in someone’s face and then walk away.
[QUOTE=Mama Tiger]
I thought he said, “If it was really love, he would have given you the immunity necklace.” Has anybody listened to it again to verify what exactly he said?
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That’s exactly what Jeff said. To which I said…“OH SNAP!!!”. Jeff has a mean streak. I like that.
I’m all for public displays of affection, but the Candice - Adam kiss made me want to gag.
Yul rocks. I can’t think of any good reason to reveal the fact that he has the II…but he must have a good reason, cuz he rocks. I loved how when Candice was ranting about Jonathan and what Yul said blahblahblah…Candice said Yul called him “selfish”. Yul corrected her – “actually, I said self-interested”. Subtle difference, but important; and he did it so cooly. I like to think that I would be like that, if I were stuck on an island with whiny pre-schoolers.
Speaking of the II – notice the look on Nate’s face when it was revealed that Yul had it? Caught Nate by surprise, a bit. He had no clue. In general, too.
Thanks rockle. I’m jiggy wit dat! (One of my secret joys is embarrassing the hell outta my teens with my out-of-step nods to cool-age.) 
And you really summed it up about J. He’s got no problem with someone else having problems with him - as long as they’re not just whining.
I was surprised Y volunteered the II. Don’t see what advantage it gave him, while I would think any uncertainty would be to his favor. Seeing the thing in person might be what it took to really spur others into action against him. But like jsc said, it must have been for a good reason because the man certainly rocks.
[QUOTE=jsc1953]
Yul rocks. I can’t think of any good reason to reveal the fact that he has the II…but he must have a good reason, cuz he rocks. I loved how when Candice was ranting about Jonathan and what Yul said blahblahblah…Candice said Yul called him “selfish”. Yul corrected her – “actually, I said self-interested”. Subtle difference, but important; and he did it so cooly. I like to think that I would be like that, if I were stuck on an island with whiny pre-schoolers.
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That was very slick of Yul to rephrase it-- he actully did say “selfish”.
I didn’t see the reason for revealing the II, but so many people know about already that I think it does no harm to get it out there. Blabbermouth Jonathan mentioned it to everyone earlier.
[QUOTE=Dinsdale]
I was surprised Y volunteered the II. Don’t see what advantage it gave him, while I would think any uncertainty would be to his favor.
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Well, the best use of the II is to not have to use it at all. The threat of him having it is enough. Therefore, it is better to come out and tell people openly. Plus, it gives him bonus honor points in the eyes of the potential jury members.
Uncertainty is what causes people to conspire against you, thinking they have a shot and forcing you to play the II prematurely.
Actually, 8 is a good time to reveal you have the Individual Immunity idol. As The Controvert said, the best use of it is not to use it at all.
Say there are 9 people left. Everyone knows you have the idol. 7 of them decide they want to get rid of the idol. 4 of them vote against you, 3 of them against the other lonely sap who didn’t go to the meeting. Your vote and other lonely sap’s votes don’t matter at that point - Jeff tells you you’re going home, you pull out the idol and lose it, other sap goes home. This is ironclad - there’s no uncertainty for the alliance against you, apart from trusting that everyone will do their part.
At 7 left, that doesn’t work anymore. 5 decide to get rid of the idol. 3 vote for you, 2 for the sap, but you and the sap vote for one of the 5. You pull out the idol, and it’s now a tie between the sap and one of the 5, and those 2 are left trying to set each other on fire or whatever. That’s a lot of uncertainty for the 5 to deal with.
At 8 left, it depends on the rules. 6 decide to get rid of the idol. They can do 4 for you, 2 for the sap, and risk that you and the sap vote together against one of them, leading to the above scenario. Or, they can do 3 for you, 3 for the sap. In that case, it depends on whether you need to pull out the idol then, or if you can do the tiebreaker challenge. If they let you do that, and you win, you still have the idol and we’re down to the 7 person tribe. If you lose, you can still pull out the idol and send the sap home.
So 9 or more left is the only time a group can band together and get rid of the idol with absolutely no risk to any of themselves. Once you’re past that point, uncertainty creeps in, and it’s better to let everyone know that you have the idol, so no opposing alliance can get rid of the idol without risking one of their own.
rockle, did you notice Jeff called Ozzy “Dolphin boy” when he bid for the ice cream?
[QUOTE=muldoonthief]
You pull out the idol, and it’s now a tie between the sap and one of the 5, and those 2 are left trying to set each other on fire or whatever.
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Damn. I’d so pay to watch that tiebreaker…
[QUOTE=muldoonthief]
rockle, did you notice Jeff called Ozzy “Dolphin boy” when he bid for the ice cream?
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I did not. But, shameful as it is for me to admit this, I did notice that Ozzy managed to get soft serve on his crotch. And I’d be lying if I said that my brain did not immediately “go there.” Happily.
You and me both.
What was the name of that Showtime show with Sherilyn Fenn where Jonathan played the neighbor guy? It’s been bugging me since last night.
I think Yul had several serious strategic missteps recently. Revealing the idol just to rub it in Candice’s face (nothing for you in exile) was foolish, as was his discussion of going to final two with somebody other than the person he was talking to. Worst of all was that he clearly took on a leadership role, which is never a good move. Three strikes and you’re out.
Lotta hate for the “Mean Girls Table” in this thread. Highschool flashbacks? While they were certainly being lazy, I couldn’t completely fault the pretty people for wanting to spend time with Candice. How much time has she even been in camp to hang out with? Four trips to exile island in the last how many days?
Don’t let that challenge fool you, Adam is clearly a box of rocks. It had almost nothing to do with smarts other than basic arithmetic. It was all about memory. (I didn’t remember a single number they were asking for.) Very impressive memory, though.
The pretty people (including Nate based on his reaction from the jury) being unable to even entertain the idea that Yul had the immunity idol may be the most impressive display of stubborn stupidity I’ve ever seen on television. How fucking dumb are you people? It was so bad that even after Yul publicly admitted it and agreed to get it out of his bag, they still didn’t believe it. And then when he produced it, Parvati seemed to need to friggin’ touch the thing before she’d even consider the possibility. Ye gods, that was unbelievable.
At this point, I’d like to see the two wallflowers go next. They haven’t added anything to the season at all. A final five with Jonathan, Yul, Ozzy, Adam and Parvati would be awesome. The silent duo missed their chance to form an all-girl alliance with Candice and Parvati last week, which would have been fantastic. Sadly, it now looks like a straight up Pagonging will take us to the final four. Oh well, the drama has been potent this season, so at least it’ll probably be interesting.
Loving all the Sue Hawk callbacks to snakes and rats. They may not know how to play, but they sure know the Survivor insults well enough. heh.
Final thought: Now that Candice is gone, who is the next to go to exile? Jonathan?