There are sanctimonious arseholes everywhere. Virginal, waited for marriage, experienced, slutty, whatever condition or usage of their genitals is irrelevant.
It all comes down to choice. Do what is best for you, don’t assume that same thing is best for everyone and respect others enough to consider that they made a choice that is best for them.
If you want to be a virgin, or not engage in pre-marital sex, fine. Just don’t be an arsehole about it.
If you want to be experienced, enjoy sex or completely slutty, fine. Just don’t be an arsehole about it.
It isn’t rocket-science.
When did we stop being tolerant, friendly people and become so convinced that our own path is ‘the true and correct path’ for everyone ? Give it a rest.
And, thanks for the dick jokes, they were about the only nice thing in this thread.
samarm and Eonwe,
Is it possible that arisu was simply saying that he/she is still a virgin at 22 because he/she is holding out for someone who can offer emotional intimacy along with the physical? When I was 22, there were few guys at that age who wanted more than a quick piece of ass. I think arisu is right to wait for the right time, place, and person.
And my dick is so big… well, damn, I can’t play this game. I divorced the big dick.
Diogenes, Tuckerfan and Furt were walking along the Mississippi River. They decided to cross over the bridge in St. Louis. Halfway across the bridge, they all had to piss, so they all started pissing off the bridge.
Oh yeah? Well my dick is so big that there are 18 astral cartography stations throughout the alpha sector just to monitor its movements (which are frequent). When I come, I create a quantum singularity that will form a galaxy within a mere 400 million years.
All you virgins and non-virgins complain – sheesh, I can only mate with a Wagnerian Valkyrie. And I hate Wagner. And I hate string quartets too. Don’t get me started.
Hokay. Woman’s perspective: Fucking virgins sucks. You have to teach them everything and it’s a bit boring. Plus, they never know when to leave. I have nothing to say on the morality of the issue, other than I’m Catholic, and had my eight-year-old son as the ring bearer at my first (and only) wedding.
Oh, and my husband is hung like a buffalo. We are bragging about our penis size, aren’t we?
First of all, not that it’s really important to me that people know this or anything, but my dick is so big that when I go camping, when I bed down at night I have to string Christmas tree lights over the end of my cock so airplanes won’t crash into it when I get a nocturnal erection.
Now, I’m not against virgins. I used to be one myself, and I was really good at it, IIRC.
What I’m against is the cult of virginity. It has all sorts of bad stuff going with it. That business of women who’ve had sex being impure and unvirtuous. Sorry, but that’s crap.
The people who’ve posted about the dangers of STDs are kind of ignoring the fact that people are going to have to pair off and mate eventually if the human race is going to continue. They use STDs because they have a hidden agenda: they don’t think peopel should have more than one sex partner. Well, sometimes you have to fuck a few frogs, or a few princesses, before you find The One. And kissing them won’t do – you have to fuck them, to find out if you like doing it. This biz of saving yourself for your wedding night could create problems, like winding up with a spouse who doesn’t share your sexual tastes.
'Course there’s always divorce, but isn’t it better to find those things out before marriage and most pointedly, children?
Also, guys that are big into virginity (i.e., having female partners who are virgins) sometimes/often give off a certain creepy pseudo-child molestation vibe.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with BEING a virgin. But when people make a big deal out of it, alarm bells start going off in my mind.
I don’t think the “holier than thou” attitude is all that attractive. I don’t think that people should wear their virginity like a banner (it’s a private matter, IMO). I don’t think it’s Christian to look down your nose at other people.
On the other hand, the attitude I see amongst many of you here (“it’s unnatural”) is just another form of “holier than thou”. There is a greater stigma, in my opinion, against virginity than the other way around. At least in Western culture.
Well, I happen to think it IS unnatural, because I think sex is a natural thing and purposefully denying it well past puberty and into young adulthood is perverse. I think you can make a pretty good reasoned argument from our knowledge of human anatomy and psychology that this is the case. So, should I give up the evidence of reason and science in order not to appear judgmental?
I think I know what Cecil would say.
And finally, the notion that there’s a prejudice against virginity … SUUURE there is. That’s why women who have sex a lot are called virtuous, and women who have sex not at all are sometimes called sluts and whores.:rolleyes:
People make a big deal out of it because it is special-it’s a time of your life that once it has gone you will never get back again. And in today’s society-where music video’s routinely have barely dressed girls being role models for 11 year olds singing about sex, I think that there is nothing wrong with saying ‘I saved all my purity and innocence for my wedding.’" Well, isn’t that “special!” , for goodness sake, where does she say she is better than you there??? It’s special because its so rare, it’s how she feels, any implication that she feels she is better than you is all in your own head…
If you think that “society’s so f*cked up is because people have hang ups about sex.”, can I suggest that few of today’s problems in society are caused by the worlds virgins, and if you insist they do, I would demand a cite…
Virginity is important only to virgins, certain parents, and those people who have sex with virgins the first time.
After that, it is completely unimportant. Then you think about other things. Communication. Trust. Credibility. Common values. Shared activities. Genital size (oops, sorry about that one). Shopping. Baby sitters. Mood swings. Income. Expenses. Little things that irritate you. Your abusive in-laws. How to afford that SUV and the house of your dreams. Big things that irritate you about your spouse. Divorce proceedings. Custody. Lawyers fees. Resentment. Blame. Emotional damage. Baggage. Dating again.
By the time you’re 35, or please by 45 years of age, virginity is something you’ve not thought about for a long, long time. Do what you think is right, by all means. But really, it’s not something to get indignant about. People have their attitudes. So what.
I don’t think anyone in this thread is condemning virgins or trying to impose their morality on them. People have said that they don’t find sex with virgins as pleasurable, which is not condemnation. Hey, you can’t help it if you don’t have much pleasure with someone. I think it’s safe to say that most (note that I did not say all virgins) aren’t going to be very good their first time. Of course this is not always the case, but what are the chances of you being very good at something that you’ve never done before, especially when it’s something like sex which usually requires a lot of skill to be good at.
It has been mentioned that you should be mature before you have sex (duh). One should be mature enough to consider that they probably (again, I say probably. ::looking around for slew of I-was-amazing-my-first-time posts: will not be very good in bed. There is a lot involved in sex (I’m talking about the physical aspects here) and it is unlikely you’ll be good at it when you’ve never done it before.
Evil Captor’s post is prolly the best response I’ve seen so far re: the rest of the thread.
Newsflash for virgins:
There is nothing “special” or romantic about doing a virgin. It’s work, it’s painful for the virgin. The guy has to keep asking “are you ok? Do you want me to stop?” The guy can’t really enjoy it because the girl can’t enjoy it. It’s a nuisance. It’s something you have to get past so you can eventually have enjoyable sex. What’s more fun on a wedding night, ten minutes of “Ok…go slow…ouch…go slower,” or three or fours hours of butt-slapping monkey sex?
We as humans do a lot of things that are “unnatural”. Shaving facial hair? Why not let it grow out? That’s very unnatural, if you ask me. Wearing clothes when it’s hot. What’s that all about? Not crapping in the middle of street. (Hey, dogs crap in the street, why can’t we? The “call of nature” and all that!)
We do tons of things that are “unnatural”. Like holding it until we can find a bathroom. Like not farting in an elevator, yadda yadda yadda. So why single out the concept of virginity as so unnatural when we do a jillion “unnatural” things all day?
Humans are emotional people. Since the concept of sex is intermingled with emotions for a lot of folks, they want to pick and choose the appropriate time to engage in sex. For some, this is after marriage or a committed relationship—that is when they personally decide it is “emotionally” the right time for them. What do you want them to do? Screw the next stranger on the street, just so people like you won’t consider them “unnatural”?
I am sure every dog in town thinks you are unnatural because you don’t crap in the street, too.
