Well, it’s probably a bad idea to kill someone when all those cops are around.
I don’t understand whether the cops knew Sarah had the girl beforehand, or what. Did they see John and Cameron? I’m not sure how they’re supposed to get out of there.
I think Weaver just tipped off the FBI guy that she was there. Sarah is a fugitive. As for the escape of the others - movie theaters have a lot of exits.
I’m bummed Derek’s dead. I like him. I wonder if anyone will let Jesse know…
I feel like I missed half an episode. It was the faction who kidnapped and tagged Sarah with a homing device who sent the terminator after Savannah? Is there any plausible reason for that? It seems implausible that the Connors would see her picture, remember where they knew her, assume she was being targetted, somehow access the psychiatrist’s office records to figure out where Savannah lived, and then go conduct a rescue. Then again they had no reason to suspect a terminator would be there… still, it feels like there’s a lot of missing explanation of motives somewhere.
Are we really down to 1 more episode for the series? Most of season 2 it was fairly bleh but these last few episodes have really picked up and I’d be sad to see it go.
Well, look at that! I really hope this series finds a continuation. There’s a lot of potential, I feel.
The scene with John Henry and the little girl singing I though was fabulously creepy, and very well played by the actor.
That they killed Derek just like that, without fanfare, without melodrama – perfect (though my first thought was: “Damn, they know, they are going to be canceled”). I do hope, they don’t cheapen the death by transferring another Derek out of a different future into the past; after all, the show made its point about humans, when John told Jesse, why he started to send back robots to protect him.
We talked about the reasons, why Cameron’s capture failed – some mentioned, that the botnappers might not have known about the reboot function or that there was no time to prepare adequately, because they got the terminator schematics only by hacking into John Henry. But now we know that they do have terminators, so the botched capture is inexplicable: it’s either sloppy writing or the mission wasn’t about Cameron at all.
If Derek hadn’t died I’d wonder now, if he hadn’t been swapped with someone/thing else – but it wouldn’t make sense to kill such a transplant and, anyway, we haven’t seen any technology so far, that could do such a thing and go undetected by Cameron.
That Cameron & John are on their own now, is a good idea and about time. Mom’s presence gave John an excuse to stay a teenager, even though he realized that she couldn’t help but make matters worse.
John’s outright denial to come forward, is, imo, the major reason, why presence and future seem to have become continuously bleaker.
In some unforeseen ways, Jesse’s cruel plan might have helped him to get back on track: when Riley got killed, John realized ruefully that he could have saved her easily, if only he hadn’t refused to leave John Baum behind. Since then, he has started to take control and though his first actions seem to confirm the Connor curse, it’s also the first time since the turk, that they act to prevent judgment day.
If Weaver isn’t here to prepare Skynet’s takeover, John might (be willing to) get a second (or first) chance to get a “yes” for an answer.
SkyNet has been sending Terminators back all along. And Dr. Sherman’s name was on the list, presumably because of his connection to Savannah and/or John Henry.
So we don’t for sure yet whether this is John Henry’s brother or just a random Terminator sent back to remove someone “important”. And it wouldn’t be the first time someone has referred to Savannah as important in regards to the future (although Weaver flipflopped a little on that tonight).
Oh, and this was me for about five minutes after Derek was shot: :eek:
I’m sad they killed him, but he has been carrying a bullseye on his forehead ever since he was introduced.
True, we don’t know for sure – but I think it wouldn’t make any sense at all at this stage of the season to add a “random terminator” to the playing field.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I had thought that Weaver was protecting Savannah because of her subsequent role in the development of the liquid artificials – a return to the theme of the first terminator movie, when the son made sure that he was/will be born in the first place.
Seems like quite a coincidence the guys in gray were targeting Savannah at the same time this new Terminator shows up targeting Savannah. The new T could have only just shown up though; I wish they’d show us the time bubble naked scenes when these things arrive. If he did get sent back right on schedule, it would seem to imply Dyson’s AI is somehow getting messages from future Skynet and is in cahoots with it. Perhaps because the gray guys failed to eliminate Cameron, Skynet then sent the Charlie Jade-inator back.
Well, she rebooted in 30 seconds, but it’s been established it takes 120 seconds. What was sloppy is they didn’t show or tell us how she rebooted faster, or they blew off their own continuity. She was probably wearing rubber soles, though.
Or maybe the cut between Cameron hitting the ground and the guy checking his PDA wasn’t occuring in real-time.
Apparently, John has a very good memory. Thing is, the rest actually makes sense. The other AI is Skynet. I’m pretty sure of that. Its goal has always been self-preservation - and there are two threats out there. First is John Connor, of course. They tried to get him at the lighthouse. The other threat is John Henry, who is very definitely NOT going to be Skynet. He’s been learning to give value to human life.
-Joe
I think I mentioned it before, but it bugs me that they still keep on bothering to shoot at Terminators with pistols that apparently have no effect.
If I had to have a small arm, I’d try an FN P90 with a ton of ammo, and see if I can hit the eyes. I guess I’d have to ask Cameron if she thought that would work, though.
“It’s possible Heaven has a hardware problem” - John Henry 
P90 is a SMG though. Handguns are easily concealable. If they’re going to carrie an SMG, they might as well take a shotgun instead. Those actually seem to get the job done.
John did remember helping Savannah learn to tie her shoes, though. And Savannah remembered him. So not that implausible that they connected her with Dr. Sherman. And since her picture was on the cell phone they found at Charlie’s, not too much of a stretch to assume she was a target.
Savannah to Weaver/Shirley Manson: “You’re a girl and you can’t sing.” snerk Stupid girl.
For the first, while the future is mutable, we have not seen ANYTHING to give any sort of hint that someone can come back twice. The future is changing, but there’s no reason we’re looking at multiple divergent timelines all sending people back. Derek is done, I think.
Second, I still think that Cameron was prepared. It’s a known flaw in the model - all it would take was one little modification (or insulated boots) to completely get around her model’s biggest Achilles’s Heel.
-Joe
Occam’s Razor says that they are the same bunch. Maybe Water Delivery Guy was actually a Terminator that their bunch had already de-chipped?
-Joe
I don’t remember: Have they tried a taser yet? And something that jams or at least interferes with their sensory apparatus would have been also an alternative; after all, they do know the specifics of the schematics in detail and could have experimented quite a bit in all those months when they let so many opportunities let slip by.
Or human sacrifice, as Weaver pointed out. John Henry is most likely not Skynet, but I doubt that Weaver’s intentions are, in core, human-centric … and why should they be? Human interests are not metal-centric either.
There is a Derek still around, playing baseball with his younger brother Kyle; and a Jesse, possibly relaxing in the shade at an Australian beach. What they all have done, since their future selfs returned, has already changed the newest future in a way, that opens the door for them to exist beyond the time, when they had been send back before.
They haven’t worked out yet any logical model of time within the terminator universe; there are too many contradictions to state anything with absolute certainty. But I hope that they don’t go that road.
Possibly, though you assume here, that reboot time is dependent on the strength of the electro shock – and I haven’t seen anything that confirms that.
Sorry for the double post, I want to elaborate a bit on this quote and my previous reply:
We don’t need multiple timelines to establish the possibility of the same person coming back over and over again.
Lets assume there is just one timeline, and whenever a time machine is being used to send someone back, time is reset to the date, the time traveler arrives. This means, that the future the time traveler knew is destroyed.
Everything that happened/will happen after the reset event won’t happen again precisely the same; everyone born after it, won’t be born at all, which, of course means, that every jump back in time is a genocide of epic proportions – but no one knows, except, maybe, for the time traveler (who should at least have some issues with that – but this is another topic I’d like to discuss at some other time: the morality of the people responsible for the time travel).
Back to this topic: everyone who was born before the reset time, continues to exist into the new future – which means that everyone can be send back again by the time travel agency, even if their previous future selfs had been killed in a previous past as long as the previous past happens later than their birthday.
Because the machines LOST. That’s why they’re sending back Terminators since the original movie. So, trying for the just plain “kill all humans” thing didn’t work. Neither did the “Kill all humans” and then “timetravel an anti-Connor terminator”.
Time for plan G? Machines get to exist and so do humans. The humans just need to realize that killing all AI isn’t bad, and the AI needs to understand that killing all humans will eventually lead to its destruction.
-Joe