The Braves lose in the playoffs, again. What a shocker.
Thank good it’s football season.
I must say, however, I am fond of that Rally Monkey. I guess that being the case I must pull for the Angels to win from here on out.
“good”, of course, is god’s little brother. He and og hang out sometimes and drink 40s.
I’m not sure what “the Giants were at 50%” means, but Schmidt wasn’t on the DL, and we beat him twice. Bring it.
Say wha?
How is this worse than even half of what gets posted here about various people–real or otherwise? Especially given that:
- He stated it was his opinion of the guy (not fact)…which you cut out of your quote.
- Whether the courts agree or not, it’s a reasonable conclusion to draw from the facts, as reported.
Sheesh.
Even more unbearable than the tomahawk chop, of course, is the fawning over Barry Bonds and the truckloads of home runs he won’t hit.
He’s a good player, sure, but the pre-game, post-game, and mid-at-bat yammering about his home run count is friggin’ annoying. Talk about Kent, Aurilia, or Snow. Please. Team sport, remember?
I’m not going to continue hijacking this thread beyond this post, but I just wanted to respond to this:
It’s reasonable to assume that he currently abuses his wife because of something that was reported seven years ago? I guess it’s entirely too much to ask that you consider that someone might get help for their problems and change their ways.
FWIW, the source of my ire over the original statement was the present-tense nature of the verb. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, everyone is also entitled to challenge judgemental, out-dated opinions, particularly when they may (as I suspect this one does) run contrary to any current evidence. If ArchitectChore is interested in so doing, s/he could respond to my original challenge for a cite and give us something to indicate that Cox is currently guilty of the dispicable crime s/he has accused him of. If not, and the expressed opinion is simply a deeply-held judgement based on something Cox was accused of in the past, fine. It should be exposed as such.
Let me provide a counter-example. If I were to accuse George W. Bush of being a drug addict, that is something I should be expected to back up with some evidence. If my accusation is based simply on my judging him for his activities in the past, and I am unable to provide any current substantiation, isn’t that something that should be exposed so that my biases can be taken into account when other readers consider my accusation?
I thought it was something to address, and I’ve addressed it as I am best capable of doing at this time. As I said above, I do not wish to further the hijack of this thread, and I apologize to those who simply wanted to come in and speak ill of a team that has done nothing but that which any sane baseball fan wants for their own team, namely win games at a rate and for a period of consecutive years unlike any I’ve ever heard of.
Aren’t chants from the stands supposed to be annoying to the visiting team?
What makes waving towels (Twins fans) or beating inflatable tubes together (A’s fans) any less annoying than using a foam tomahawk to do a “chop”?
One minute Braves fans are being knocked for being apathetic, the next, they’re knocked when they do come out and make noise. I guess they can’t win – just like their team.
I say they replace the chop with the old standby "“Haaaay, batta batta, sa-wing, batta! Hecan’thit, hecan’thit, hecan’thit, sa-wing batta!”
No. Chants are not supposed to be annoying to the other team. They’re supposed to support the home frickin’ team.
Those moronic Braves fans who do the chop are blissfully happy to do nothing but - they do nothing else the entire game. They don’t cheer, they don’t jeer, and they sure as hell don’t deserve a winning playoff team, either.
And, pbrtallboy, “making noise” is in no way, shape, or form the same as cheering or supporting or trying to rally one’s team. They’re only doing it to make noise.
And! What makes the Homer Hankies not nearly as bad as the chop is that you can’t hear the homer hankies. Sheesh. They’re waving them to cheer their team on to victory. The Braves fans are doing the chop simply because they’re not smart enough to do anything else. Hope they all get tennis elbow.
And Knead, you bitched about the wife-beating comment (and threatened to run to a moderator) and demanded a link when you could just as easily found one yourself. The man was accused of beating his wife and then admitted he had a problem. He’s slime. This is not old news. Using your logic, we couldn’t condone John Wilkes Booth because there’s no “current” (whatever THAT means) evidence that he shot Lincoln.
Just because your team once again proved it’s not ready for October baseball is no reason to whine about your wife-beating manager.
The only thing I have to say is that this:
has had me giggling ever since I read it.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled rant about people who make stupid noises at baseball games.
Dantheman,
Apparently, I got my chants crossed. “Hey batter – swing!” is aimed at the visiting team, while the “tomahawk chop” is aimed at the home team? Braves fans ARE moronic for chopping at their own team, if that’s what they’re doing.
Are you sure all the waving and chanting and organ-grinding isn’t supposed to to be aimed at the defense as well? Homer hankies aren’t supposed to distract the opposing team’s pitcher? And what of the Oakland A’s fans’ noisemakers? Just what are they blissfully doing with those???
And as for cheering and jeering, I definitely heard Braves fans booing bad calls (and Barry Bonds) and saw them standing and cheering on their pitchers when they were ahead in the count and applauding good plays.
Who says “hey batter, swing”?? In little league, sure. In the majors? And who cares if they do it, unless it’s all 40,000 people. I’ve never seen that.
Now, you’re from the area, and I’m not, but my impression is that the Braves fans doing the chant are doing so mainly in response to that overactive organ player. If that tune’s not played, you’ll not see the lemmings react in that way. Are they doing it to their own team? That’s certainly my impression.
Regarding the homer hankies, they’re not nearly as bad as a vocal chant, because the pitcher can simply focus on the batter alone and shut out the white flags. And when a ball is in the air, waving those hankies doesn’t change anything - the roof’s white and is enough of a distraction.
The idea behind chants and noisemaking is that in essence they’re supposed to cheer the team on, not distract the other team. And in the case of the chop, it only serves to annoy everyone - including, I bet, the Braves players themselves.
P.S. I’m not bitter! 
Me either. Sorry if I seemed rough in my posts.
I want to add that Oakland is not responsible for those Korean noisemaking things. I believe (thought I am not certain) that Seattle was the first to import them. The ALDS was the first time I have seen A’s fans using them.
And whether the homer hankies are meant to bother the opposing batter, they sure as HELL bothered me in '87. Those, and Dan Gladden. [sub]grumble[/sub]
Skerri, I aim to please! And, for the record, the “chop” doesn’t rank high on my vague list of things that offend me. I don’t think Native Americans are victimized by it any more than I am victimized the widespread portayal of blondes as stupid (or as stupid and horny, if they’ve got big tits). But I’m just a blonde, so what would I know? 
So anyway, how 'bout those Twins? If any of you saw the stuffed Rally Monkey with Pohlad’s photo taped over its face, that was my cow-orker’s creation. He says he and his daughter were interviewed by four TV stations, one out of Anaheim. He’s totally famous now.
Amazingly enough, I heard the chop during one of this year’s World Cup games. I stared at the TV in disbelief – I mean, are you serious? It’s stupid enough in context but as a general Go USA chant it’s beyond ridiculous.
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I want to add that Oakland is not responsible for those Korean noisemaking things. I believe (thought I am not certain) that Seattle was the first to import them. The ALDS was the first time I have seen A’s fans using them.[/QUOTE
(OT) Unless they brought them in late this season, I doubt that Seattle’s responsible for them. I went to Safeco Field to see the Mariners play the Tigers on July 31st and didn’t see anybody with those salami-shaped noisemakers nor did I see any for sale at the concession stands. I also didn’t see them in any the many Mariner games I watched on TV this year. My guess is they were introduced either in Anaheim or in Los Angeles.
(Back on-topic)Anyway, I’m glad the Giants knocked off the Braves not only because I used to be a Giant fan when I was a kid but also because I AM SO F***IN’ TIRED OF THEM. 12 years and only one championship to show for it (and that was in a strike-shortened season)!
Er, no. No one won the championship in the strike-shortened season.
“50%” was a sort of meaningless term, but I heard…mmm…Reggie Sanders, I think, talking about the last time the Giants played the Cards, and he mentioned that the lineup now is very different from the lineup at that point - and for the better. I’m not even sure where I would look up that up to make the comparison, though.
Barry Bonds talked over too much? Get over it. He’s the best player in the majors, and he’s going to win his fifth MVP this year. Of course he’s talked over a lot.
But yeah, baseball is a team sport, and Barry isn’t the only player on the team. Benito Santiago - Benito Santiago! - has been fantastic this year, making teams pay and pay and pay for all of those intentional walks to Bonds. Changing the lineup to bat Kent third was a great move. He’s having yet another stellar year. After last years fabulous season, Richie Aurilia’s been just a little disappointing (plus he was injured for a while), but he’s certainly one of the better hitting shortstops in the majors. JT Snow, while not a great hitter, is such an amazing asset in the field. I don’t know how many announcers and ESPN analysts I’ve heard call him the best fielding first basemen they’ve ever seen. And games can be won with the glove. Reggie Sanders and David Bell, two guys I am still surprised to see in Giants uniforms, have fit in great. And Kenny Lofton! Listening to the Giants/Braves games, I almost instinctively booed for him - it’s hard to remember he’s on my team now! He’s been a great acquisition, and put a charge into the start of the lineup that was totally lacking with Ichiro Suzuki.
And yeah, there’s that one other guy, the one who can hit 73 home runs in a season. But he’s just one of twenty-five.
Right now, the Giants are leading 2-0 in the second.
Count me as one who was delighted to see that ridiculous, racist*, minstrel show caricature of an Indian war song shoved back down the throats of the Atlanta fans in their own house. I only wish Jane Fonda was there to see it. High-stakes baseball at its finest.
The last time the Giants made the series, there was a terrible earthquake and hundreds of people were killed. I lived in the City back then and remember it well … Here’s hoping lightning doesn’t strike the same place twice! Go Giants!
- One might wish to read up on the corruption and graft allegations surrounding “Chief” James Billie and try to cite a more reputable endorser of the Tomahawk Chop … Krusty the Klown, for example.
It’s 7-1 Giants now.
Funny thing about Santiago. I looked at the NLDS series between Atlanta and SF as the Battle of the Elderly Ex-Phillies, with Santiago on one side and the ancient Julio Franco on the other. Heck, we don’t even know how old Julio really is, but he played in 1982.
WHOA! There’s a fight going on. I’m watching this.