The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16324189&postcount=1225

You mentioned that Doug (a first time councillor from Etobicoke) had painted a fairly rosy picture.
We can better answer your questions now, since the actual numbers have come in: Ford has “saved” not the billion he claimed, but about $400 million. Awesome numbers! Except that using the same math, Miller saved…$600 million (whether this is even vaguely appropriate math to use can be debated, but, using the same numbers, Ford has been a spendthrift).

The next problem is the dreaded Scarborough Subway. 100 million and climbing in cancellation costs, an additional 1 billion in costs to the city, and all the operating costs to be born by the city (instead of uploaded to the province).

So, not only is Rob Ford not finding the efficiencies that Miller found, he is costing, well, 1.1 billion more (that’s cost to the city; the feds and province are kicking in more cash, too), plus ongoing operating expenses.

Oh, I’m wayyyy too lazy to pull a cite for this, but Bloomberg (the rating firm, not the former Mayor of New York) is claiming that Ford’s antics make bond holders anxious enough that he tacks on a bias point. This works out to about $250k/year. Not enough to worry about, really, but Ford campaigned on waste far, far below those levels.

Oh, as mayor, he has also had the ability to put holds on things. He has repeatedly put holds on trivial, nonsense things (stop lights in neighbourhoods, etc) that usually sail through, in order to punish his enemies. His doing so has shocked long time councillors. Yes, there is a small dollar amount associated with this (in the hundreds of thousands) since these things do get debated.

You know, you’re being fairly gracious about this, but in the area around the comment I linked above, you mentioned that Toronto press had a liberal bias. And you know what, the Star might. But, at this point, the Star, The Globe and Mail, the Sun, and the National Post all agree that from a financial perspective, Ford is…bad.

The thing is, none of this is a surprise. He smoked crack. He got drunk, beat up his wife (and no, that’s not proven in court - but where there’s this much smoke there’s fire, and…not everything makes the papers), abused staff members while dead drunk, sent staff members to buy him vodka on approximately a daily basis, got drunk in his office, refused to read any of the rules of his job. That he made mistakes that cost, well, over a billion isn’t a surprise.

You’re incorrectly projecting a lot of bias towards me, perhaps because of my username.
I’ll bow out now, but seriously, maybe you are *misremembering *my posts.

I suggest you do a bit more homework before slandering me again.

I linked to your posts. I am not, really, particularly attributing a lot of bias to you; you asked to show you the money - I’m showing you the money.

Perhaps you’d care to back up that accusation of slander?

Sure. I never said anything like the above. I was looking for factual numbers back in May: that’s all. Never once did I say that Rob Ford was posting “really impressive numbers.” What I did say was:

I was asking for budget numbers, and none were provided. Can we kiss and make up now?

It’s the first of December. I’m for every Canadian going outside into the snow and kissing the first person they see.

{{{smootch}}

How about this?

Ron Burgundy joins TSN for Canadian Curling Trials

Gotta admit, it’s a great way to promote Ferrell’s new movie to Canadians!

Funny stuff, for sure.

My niece is playing in the tournament though; not so funny any more.

Please put your Canadian votes behind the Homan rink!!

Bashere, Leaffan, if you want to squabble, take it to the Pit.

twickster, MPSIMS moderator

Kissing is squabbling? Who’d a thunk it?

Looks like we’re having the first snowstorm of the year. I’m having coffee while watching the morning news, and the news is full of school closures, road closures, and warnings not to go out unless you absolutely have to.

My day will be spent in my home office, but if any of my fellow Albertans have to go out, dress warmly and stay safe!

Ooh, you guys are going to get sent to the Penalty Box! :smiley:

And in other news, blizzard. Fuck. I took this video on my walk today.

How is that a blizzard? You can see the other side of the street! All those years in Calgary have made you soft. :stuck_out_tongue:

That was in a park that was protected from the wind! But yes, you are right about getting soft, though. :frowning:

20 cm overnight, and still more falling in TBay.

Rain, rain and more rain. At least I don’t have to shovel!

2 minutes by yourself, you feel shame… but then you go free!

New record! My backyard rink was up and running Dec. 1 this year!
Bah! Lost the race to the artificial Rink of Dreams at City Hall by two days!
Neighbourhood kids were all over for a game/skate on Sunday. Good Times!

The snow has basically stopped now - now we have to go shovel. In the -300ºC temperatures. :stuck_out_tongue:

Did that this morning. Before work. Warmed me up.