The miserable adventures of SDMB's catsix

jarbaby,

I’m not sure what you are getting at here. You pitted catsix’s behavior. Justifiably in my mind. She recognized her shortcomings, explained herself, and promised to do better. win-win. You look like someone who saw a problem and took steps to correct it. Catsix looks like someone willing to take a look at the situation and attempt correction. No one really looks like an ass (except gobear, who has spent years apparently pretending to be gay when his true desire seems to be watching naked women mudwrestle :stuck_out_tongue: Gobear, the straights are handing out electric blankets this month, come over to the dark side).

No, you didn’t get her to say she thought her coworkers who skipped work to sit by the pool with umbrella drinks using their kids as an excuse probably had perfectly good reasons. I’m going to go out on a limb here - if she KNOWS they are skipping work and using their kids as an excuse, she shouldn’t be changing her mind - that behavior sucks (she should, however, stop pissing in other people’s threads about family leave and open her own pit threads to pit these co-workers – who richly deserve pitting - and what she is likely to discover is that other people will join her pile on to pit their own irresponsible co-workers - with and without children).

Well, for the record I DO think my pitting of her was justified. She answered everyone’s posts in here in a very calm and considerate manner, which was much appreciated, but I think several people know that she’s flown off the handle in many threads. I didn’t make this shit up.

I hope that even though sometimes it got ugly in here that she realized she hurt a lot of people’s feelings over the years (just like a lot of us). The reason I remember conversations with her from a year ago is because they were hurtful. It took me YEARS to decide to go to therapy and she called them “head butchers”, making me rethink what I’d done. She called me ‘retarded’ for hating guns. It was harsh and uncalled for.

And yes, her views on ‘sprogs’ and ‘breeders’ hurt me for obvious reasons.

But I am getting the impression that I was the ass from several posters like Left Hand and Ogre and Sisyphus for example. Perhaps they are able to stay even keeled and right brained about everything, I’ve long tried to be that way and it’s brought me nothing but grief lately…so I decided to vent.

Even though I continue to feel it was justified, as with many of my pit rants, I start to regret ever bringing it up since no one ever gets anywhere, because everyone already thinks they’re right.

You weren’t alone. Comments here have helped me to see that although I may have no idea about it at the time, I often resemble a barnyard animal.

We both got fired up. I’m more than happy to agree to the cease-fire and agree to disagree with respect.

Pride swallowed. I don’t mean to trivialize autism and Asperger’s Syndrome (I do have an autistic cousin. Very cute little boy he is.), although I do think that had it been as well known when I was a kid as it is now, I might’ve been tested.

I think you’re absolutely right that there have been threads in which I have flown off the handle. I will be trying to avoid that in the future, which will involve unlearning many years of teaching from dadsix (who has a serious temper) and attempting to work out my lack of people skills.

I apologize. I made a very infantile response to the fact that someone who knows so little about me would be afraid of me solely because I am a licensed carrier and may have a firearm on me at any given moment.

I’m glad that therapy has done good things for you, and for others who find it helpful. My personal opinion is something that developed over the years, especially as a child, that I spent being shuffled from psychologist to psychiatrist to wherever constantly testing me to find out how ‘smart’ the little potential prodigy was. I came away from that feeling like they had done ‘head butchering’ to me, and because of it will probably never go back. I’m sorry that it bothered you, and I apologize for hurting your feelings.

No idea if this is necessary or not, but FTR -

I have no idea who has Asperger’s or autism, since [ul][li]I have no qualifications whatsoever to make such a diagnosis []I would be an idiot to try ot diagnose it over the Internet []I wasn’t trying to imply that you (or anyone else)have Asperger’s[/ul] [/li]
I just thought you handled the Pitting much better than I would have, and deserved some credit.

Of course, I have only been Pitted (IIRC) a couple of times. There is something to be said for being beneath contempt. :wink:

Regards,
Shodan

I’m sorry, but I find it increadibly ironic that you’ve tried to pre-emptively accuse catsix of nailing herself to a cross from the get-go in this thread, and yet here you are, happily hammering those nails into your own limbs.

I agree with sugaree’s assessment. I don’t think your intitial intentions were to make catsix aware of her apparently off-putting posting style. I don’t think your initial intentions were to try to help her develop a more effective “voice.”

I believe your initial intentions were to humiliate and embarass her, as evidenced by your obvious dissapointment at how well she’s come out of this thread. Why the dissapointment? Why the need to remind everyone that yes, she really did do those rotten things"? The only explaination I can think of is that you’re dissapointed at the outcome of this thread. How can that be? It ended up quite civil and gasp! productive. Why would that make you unhappy?

Your posts throughout the first page of this pitting were evidence that you had no desire to actually help catsix. Almost every post began with “oh, of course you would respond that way.” These responses made it appear that your only true desire was to demonize catsix, and you appear to be dissapointed that the result of this thread is quite the opposite.

I am not unhappy that this thread turned out productively. In fact I’m thrilled. I don’t think I’ll ever change my mind and agree with catsix on ANY ISSUE, and that’s fine. I stand by the things I presented, and if she feels that that’s enough for her to change some things then fantastic.

I just don’t get why someone like Left Hand of Dorkness comes in on the first page, takes a dig at catsix and then comes in three pages later to say ‘tsk tsk jarbaby for being mean’. I mean, really…what the hell?

I was very very angry with catsix yesterday because she was being thickheaded and stubborn in three different threads I was reading, and it just boiled over. Usually I try to ignore where i think she’ll be, but she seemed to be more prominent lately. So I came in here to vent. Yes, I wanted to make sure plenty of people saw what she was doing in those threads. Sometimes the only way someone sees they’re being dickish is if you scream right in their face. Cat likes to play off that nobody anything says matters to her, so I thought maybe pitting her would be like a double shoulder shake.

Dunno. I’m glad it ended quickly, like a microburst. I just wasn’t sure that it had to end with the last jabs of Left Hand, Shodan and Ogre, you know?

You just don’t let things drop, do you?

Fine, I’ll answer you. “What the hell” was your dragging up a year-old thread in which catsix said she didn’t like to look at herself in the mirror as a way of taunting her. While I agreed with your OP, I didn’t agree with this later petty, meanspirited, and irrelevant jab.

Daniel

So it’s ok to be mean until you decide it isn’t, and then it’s atrocious. Forget it. I don’t need this kind of trouble.

Sheesh, people never fail to amaze me.
Yeah, jarbabyj had less than sterling motives when she began this thread.
And I am probably as thick as a brick but I just cannot find the post where she states she was doing the pitting only to help catsix evolve into a kinder better Doper.
Nope, she admited freely that she was massively pissed off and out for blood.
So catsix and jarbabyj go at it.
However, jarbabyj was hardly to only poster to fling poo like a happy little Rhesus in the first few pages.
When catsix came to thread, well, she was understandably a little hostile.
Who wouldn’t be?
Now an accord has been reached and I, for one, feel as if I know and like catsix a whole lot more.
Yippy Skippy-there’s peace in the land and harmony in the hills.
For once a pitting has a happy happy joy joy resolution.
Instead of letting it goes now comes the trickle of posters who have to berate jarbabyj for starting it in the first place.
For me, this horse is so dead it’s beginning to smell people.
Of course, YM (obviously)MV.

And who the hell am I supposed to be “jabbing” at?

Why are you so determined to make this turn out badly? Does it really upset you so much that catsix defused your pile-on?

OK.

YOU"RE BEING DICKISH.

Regards,
Shodan

I trust you’re not talking about me here: I ignored jarbaby’s complaints about me in this thread until the third time she made it, and finally answered it only because I figured that’d end her complaints about me.

She didn’t get the point, but that’s not my problem.

Daniel

[QUOTE=Shodan]
And who the hell am I supposed to be “jabbing” at?

[QUOTE=SHODANCripes, catsix, I can’t remember the last time someone came out of a pile-on looking as good as this.

Seconding what Left Hand of Dorkness and MoodIndigo1 said.

Regards,
Shodan[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that’s not a jab at me? You seconded lefthand saying I’m not classy.

Jab.

I DID try and end it this morning with post that said…

WAIT FOR IT:

Then folks started asking questions AND jabbing, so I answered. I’m not going to go mute when people respond to me because then I’m accused of running away.

Here’s the crux of the issue:My beef with catsix is over for now. If you’re looking for me to take back or negate everything in the OP, I won’t. But I have no desire to bicker with her further. Do I guarantee she’ll never piss me off again? No, I can’t do that…but I got out what I wanted to say…what’s been bothering me, and so did a lot of other folks that apparently had felt the same way.

Done.

The End.

[QUOTE=YOU"RE BEING DICKISH.

Regards,
Shodan[/QUOTE]

touche monsieur pussycat.

Nope-wasn’t referring to you at all and you trust correctly, sir.
And I don’t want to get into naming the Doper floggers either-seems counter productive at this point.
I just wish the damn thread would die, surely it’s self life has long expired .

Bonus points to anyone who catches this reference, but jlzania’s last post reminded me of this:

Coughlin’s Law: Bury the dead. They stink up the joint.

well that’s it, you’re off my list - anyone quoting Cocktail for gods sake.
( :wink: )

So are you off your own list for knowing that line? :wink:

jlzania, I’m only responding again to this thread because you’re one of my favorite posters, who I have a great amount of respect for. The fact that I’m obviously one of the posters you’re referring to in your latests posts automatically makes me feel the need to explain myself.

I just caught this thread this morning and read all 3 pages at one sitting, getting increasingly frustrated as I progressed through it. I’ve seen this behavior before from many of the “usual suspects” that participated in this thread. The routine is not new. Someone gets pitted (justifiably or not is really of no consequence) and until the subject of the pitting comes in to defend themselves or just flame back, a poo flinging session will commence. Much of the cattiness and pettiness of which is very junior high.

Then the thread will begin to smolder, the remaining ashes of which will either be blown away causing the thread to dissapear, or give new life to a thoughtful and well-intentioned discussion, such as this one. Neither of those things piss me off. The first one is just “one of those things” the second, although somewhat rare, is more a pleasant suprise.

It’s when that thoughtful and well-intentioned discussion arises and certain posters come in to try to re-fan the flames is when I get pissed off. It’s immature and bullyish. Not to mention counter-productive as hell. I was glad when Left Hand of Dorkness made the comment he made. I didn’t feel as if it was self-righteous in the least. I felt it was spot-on. When other posters chimed in with similar assessments, I agreed with them.

The behavior I described above pisses me off. It’s really frustrating to witness grown women acting like immature, bratty teenagers. Especially when you’ve been on the recieving end of it.

When the thread appeared to have died, I figured even though I invested the time to read every post on all three pages, I’d refrain from contributing. It looked to have resolved itself. But when I saw what appeared to me, to be the OP trying to fan whatever flames remained smoldering in an effort to justify herself, the pitting, or for whatever reason, I figured I’d say something. If anything, to get the OP to look back at her behavior throughout the thread and realize the last couple pages are not making her look real good.

If that explanation doesn’t satisfy, I’ll go for this one: dammit, I spent all that time carefully reading each post, I can respond if I want to! :wink:

Hope you won’t think any less of me for it.

I don’t think she was trying to fan the flames at all – she was defending herself against people’s accusations here, or at least trying to justify her reasons for starting this thread in the first place. And you know catsix’s level response to the OP (which I obviously agreed with) frankly has surprised me, and I’m glad to see that things worked out.

If anything, I think your post is flame-fanning, in that it’s yet another “Jarbaby you’re being mean! Stop it!” post, AFTER she’s agreed to disagree with catsix.

Well, I’ve really only just started posting, though have lurked for years (mainly to drag myself through days at work). I have just finished writing a law review article on the benefits of moving to an affirmative consent standard in rape, so have done large amounts of work on it. I just noticed that there seemed to be a lot of misconceptions about what constitutes rape in the US (Statutory rape really isn’t rape - it is; a woman saying no automatically makes it rape - it doesn’t; non-physical threats can constitute rape - they can’t) (all these are in the majority of states, of course). It’s a subject I feel strongly upon, and have a basic belief that a legal system that treats rape victims less sympathetically than theft ones is fundamentally flawed.

If that makes me a feminist, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

catsix, you’ve handled yourself well in this pitting. I’ve been pitted once, all a misunderstanding, but still upsetting nonetheless. I could probably be pitted for some of the same things claimed by the OP. I don’t think I would have been as articulate and forthcoming as you have been given similar circumstances.

Regarding social ineptitude … probably guilty, too, to some extent. Growing up, I felt socially retarded, not having a clue until I was in my early 20s. Check out Summer Blonde by Adrian Tomine; it’s a collection of stories he write for his comic book, Optic Nerve. There’s a story in there I related to quite a bit … really, all of them, but look out for a story about an Asian woman living in San Francisco.

Dan