The Redskins Turnaround Thread

Since I closed the SuckWagon thread, I’ve had no particular place to ruminate about the Redskins, and I miss that. So, for my own amusement (and everyone else’s, I’m sure :)), I’m opening up this thread as a place to celebrate the Redskins’ turnaround, and otherwise chew the fat about the Washington Redskins’ season as it develops.

First thing I’d like to talk about is Schottenheimer. What are Marty’s strong and weak points as a coach? To what extent is he responsible for the turnaround, and to what extent did he get the 'Skins into trouble in the first place?

I’d say he deserves full credit for the turnaround - but I also have to acknowledge that he made a number of mistakes that delayed the beginning of the comeback.

Three mistakes especially come to mind:

  1. Being overly committed to Jeff George as his QB, in the face of much (many have said overwhelming) evidence that George was a lousy match for Marty’s offense. (Of course, we don’t know how much room Snyder gave him on this one.)

  2. Being extremely slow to find an experienced backup for George. Tony Banks began training camp with the Cowboys, and came over fairly late in the preseason. Learning a new offense is a nontrivial task. If the Redskins had had an established backup QB (Banks, Dilfer, or whomever) from the beginning, he might have been familiar enough with the offense to affect the outcomes of Games 4 and 5, which we lost to the Giants and Cowboys, but were very much in the game until the closing minutes.

  3. Taking several games to realize that Stephen Davis had to be the heart and soul of the Redskins’ offense. As I said after the first Giants game,

I tell ya, that was driving me nuts at the time. Good thing he eventually got with the program. :slight_smile:

And (just to show I can’t count):

  1. Apparently excessive nitpickiness about things like what time each player would lift weights, assigned roommates on the road, etc. (You mean that in the multibillion-dollar world of the NFL, they can’t afford to give each player his own hotel room for eight nights a year? Damn.) I’m glad as hell that he’s insistent (I won’t call it nitpicky) about fundamentals such as good snaps and handoffs, avoiding illegal motion penalties, and so forth. But this other stuff…let’s just say I’m glad that that meeting after Loss #3 seemed to resolve those sorts of issues, however they did it.

Having said all that, I think Schottenheimer is the right man for the job; he may have partly dug his own hole, but he managed to dig his way back out again. He’s learned from and recovered from his own mistakes: Stephen Davis is now the key of the Redskins’ offense (which is good because Banks is still a work in progress), and he apparently gave enough ground on the extracurricular nitpickiness to mollify the players.

And best of all, Marty’s fixed what was broke under Norv: that aggravating tendency to make lots of minor mistakes that, eventually, would equal defeat. Botched snaps, motion calls, 10 or 12 men on the field - that stuff’s mostly disappeared. They’re not beating themselves anymore. They’re not getting rattled when things go against them. They’re not winning by playing over their heads, but by doing things that they can go out and do every week: they block, they tackle, Davis runs, Arrington hits, and they don’t ask Banks to do more than he’s ready to do.

The one outstanding question is one that’s left over from Marty’s teams in Cleveland and KC. Marty works his teams pretty intensely, from training camp on, and his teams tended to run out of gas at the end. That could still happen here. We’ll find out soon enough. But until it does, this team’s going to win some games. :slight_smile:

I have a friend who’s a Redskins fan and man, it’s true, “Redskins fans are psychotic, and will always be that way.”

eight and eight.

Your heard it hear first, folks.

nine and seven.

You heard it here first, folks.

[sub]Just hedging. [/sub]

After the close of the suckwagon thread, now there is this one devoted to the Redskins comeback.

Personally, I think the Redskins comeback is amazing, but then I think all Dallas fans should be sentenced to a lifetime of kicking their double-wides or saying “How bout them Coyboys?” on request, which they do anyway at the slightest provocation.

I still think the suckwagon should be moved to Minneapolis, where we Vikings fans can use it, but I hear it’s tied up in Detroit for the duration. Damn. One of the best posts I ever saw was in a movie website where Vanilla Sky was being reviewed and in the middle of the comments, somebody plantively declared, “Can the Detriot Lions Suck Any Worse?” Here’s a closet Vikings Fan.

Just in case you Foreskin fanatics missed it,here’s a nice article on the turnaround from the Baltimore Sun.

One of the keys I’ve noticed is that Banks is taking care not to make mistakes. When Dilfer did that last year, the Ravens rode him to the big dance. Too bad Brian Billick can’t learn that lesson.

Thanks for the article, Dave - that was pleasant reading, and us DC area folks wouldn’t have seen it. :slight_smile:

One thing that’s really impressed me about the Redskins during this turnaround is that nothing seems to rattle them. When bad stuff happens, it doesn’t make them overanxious, and it doesn’t make them tentative - they just go back to work, do what they’re capable of doing, and win ballgames.

Example 1: the Denver game. They had a flurry of fumbles early, digging themselves a 10-0 deficit on the road in a park with a serious home advantage. It didn’t seem to affect their play in the least; they went out and dominated the second half.

Example 2: the Eagles game (first half). First drive got killed, just into Eagles territory, when Davis fumbled on 3rd-and-short. The 'Skins recovered, but no gain on the play forced them to punt. Second drive ended with a botched FG try. Against a tough opponent on the road, that’s a lot of offense to fritter away. (Regardless of what Boswell says, the Redskins didn’t exactly play mistake-free football last Sunday.) But they didn’t get rattled; they scored a TD the next time down the field, on their way to a 10-0 halftime lead.

Example 3: the Eagles game (second half). Early on - and practically forgotten - there was the INT, and runback to the 2, that got negated by a holding call away from the play. Assuming the Redskins had been able to push the ball in from 2 yards out, that would have pretty much iced the game. A little later, there was LaVar’s unsportsmanlike penalty for 15 yards, that led directly to the Eagles’ only score, a FG that closed the game to 10-3. You could feel the momentum swing, especially as the Eagles twice drove within the Redskins’ 35 yard line, while in between, the Eagles’ defense was pushing the Redskins’ offense backward.

Except that the momentum swing never quite happened. The defense held twice on 4th-and-short at the edge of FG range, then the offense put together the one drive it needed to end the game.

Norv’s teams never had this composure. When the game started to slip away on a Norv team, you could generally count on it to keep slipping. Not these guys - even though a whole bunch of the key players are the same guys. Whatever Marty’s feeding these guys, it’s working.

Comeback this season, dominancy next season. The world won’t know what to think.

My prediction for their finish: 7-9, tied for second with the New Jersey Football Giants for second in the NFC East.

Glad to see you here, Montfort!

I’m sure you watched the Eagles-Redskins game last Sunday. Did we watch the same game, or were you playing tape from last season?

The Redskins will have 7 wins when they play the Eagles again, down here at FedEx. That game will be a war - the Eagles really are a good team, especially on defense - but I’d be amenable to a sig-line bet on that game. :slight_smile:

RT, I pretty much agree with your observations and comments on Schotty’s mistakes and correction of same, so nothing to add there.

One thing I think about is, the week they won their first game was the same week Darrell Green started in place of Fred Smoot. I have to wonder, and this probably can’t be quantified in any meaningful way, but how much effect did his presence on the field have on the morale of the team, especially the defense? He’s such a leader, it had to be a tremendous boost to have him out there. You could see how happy and charged he was to be starting.

Man, you people amaze me. The first sign of a turnaround, and you’re whooping around celebrating like there’s no tomorrow.

True fans revel in their teams suckiness. Yes, you heard me. I’m talking Buffalo Bills here. They’ve managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory how many times this year? How about that Miami game? Leading by three with under four minutes to play and they lose by seven! At home! Man, now that’s sucky football, the way God intended it. Sadly, they won’t go 0 - 16 this year, but then, when you suck, you can’t even get a proper perfect losing record.

Here’s what I’m hoping. I’m hoping, by the end of this season, the Bills are mathematically eliminated from next season’s Superbowl. Because that’s what sucky football is all about.

Congratulations on the 'Skins turnaround, BTW. That’s pretty cool.

I think you’ve got a good point. That’s the only game of the season that I didn’t see, but by all accounts he played a great game, and he’s certainly been playing well since. Against the Broncos, he laid some hits on some people, as if he was LaVar Arrington or something. :slight_smile:

With him, Champ, and Smoot, the Redskins really have three first-string CBs, which gives them a big advantage in defending against formations with 3 or more WRs that are so common these days. In his comments after the Eagles game, Marty showed he understood and used that advantage: he basically left those three to cover the Eagles’ receivers one-on-one, and let the other eight players stop the run and contain McNabb.

I wish Darrell would change his mind and stay around for one more season. Even at 42, he’d be the league’s best nickel back. And if the Redskins go deep into the playoffs next year, it would be great if he could be part of it.

We’ve got a game coming up this weekend. The Redskins are going to take Dallas apart. It’s about time. It’ll be fun.

In six weeks, the Redskins have gone from being every bit as inept as the Cowboys, to being miles better. And the Redskins veterans are pissed - they’re fed up with the recent history of losing to the Cowboys, over and over again. Now that they’ve learned how to kick much better teams’ butts (see: Philadelphia), they’re going to lay it on Dallas, full force.

My man Michael Wilbon said pretty much the same thing on George Michael’s show tonight. Wilbon usually knows what he’s talking about, so it was nice to get the confirmation. But it’s just plain hard to see this one playing out any other way.

More on the same subject - this week’s ESPN.com injury report said:

I’m thinking it’ll be 31-3 or thereabouts. :slight_smile:

BTW, the injury situation is, there really aren’t any. One backup guard (Campbell) will have to sit out, but Stephen Davis’ hurt back from last week isn’t causing him any problems, and Stephen Alexander is expected to see more time this week.

After 8 straight loses to the Cowboys, I imagine that they’re due. :wink:

  • losses (I know)

Well, so much for my powers of prognostication.

If Dallas is playing this well every week, how come they’re only 3-8? :rolleyes:

:: points and laughs::

Dallas won. :stuck_out_tongue:

This DC-area Cowboys fan is just loving this.

Dallas has been able to run the ball all year (consistently in the top 5), but has no passing threat or consistent on-the-field leadership. They have a respectable defense, especially against the run. They have been in most every game this season (only two I can think of where they were out of it in the fourth quarter).

Who knew all it would take was one long pass to put them over the top in this one? Formula for winning: ~216 yards rushing and one bomb. Just enough against “Marty Ball”