The Walking Dead; 2.09 "Triggerfinger" (open spoilers)

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Agreed, it’s quite frankly amazing that Lori hasn’t turned into Purina Zombie Chow (now with delicious NO BRAAAAAIIIINNNNNSSSS flavor) by this point in the narrative

Andrea is starting to grow on me, now that she’s manned-up (womaned-up?) and isn’t a simpering, whiny baby anymore, sure she may just be “Shane-light” (now with female naughty bits!) but at least she’s not pouty and whiny and still fixated on the death of Amy (at least not recently, that is, this IS TWD after all, poorly drawn, illogical characterizations are it’s forté)

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Horses will roam. They almost always come back unless they’re injured (they do know where the food is), but you want to keep them inside their own pastures. Most horse fencing is something like this and wouldn’t do squat to keep out zombie hordes. The electrified version is pretty low voltage (wouldn’t produce fried zombie) and is useless as a barrier without the charge (so they’d have to keep it powered, although they seem to have endless fuel on that farm). You could reinforce rail fencing with a mesh or no climb fence, but I doubt that would keep out zombies who don’t notice they’re getting their *faces torn off *going through a windshield.

I really hate Lori, but is anything she said to Rick at the end not true?

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She wanted him to hit her. Because of how everything played out, she doesn’t quite know how to grief for Sophia (the thing that Rick shot wasn’t her daughter, but she never got the chance to mourn for her daughter when she really died) and it makes her feel like shit, like a bad mother. So, she goes to the volatile angry guy, hoping that he’ll beat the shit out of her because she feels like she deserves it. However, when she says “go on, do it”, all Darryl manages is to be confused and ask “do what?”, because unlike Carol’s husband he’s not a complete douchebag and doesn’t understand what Carol is getting at.

Then he rages on some more because just like Carol he, too, is torn up over Sophia’s death and doesn’t know how to deal with it.

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No way, man - the nitpicking is half of the fun with this show. :slight_smile:

That makes a lot of sense. After Carol turned her husband into hamburger, I had hoped she might have had some personal growth out of that, but it doesn’t look like it. I guess I have to cut her a little slack, though - losing your husband (even if he was abusive) and then your daughter and living in the Zombie Apocalypse will really take it out of you, I imagine.

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Out of curiosity, how much time has passed since they left the CDC? A week?

It was only a few days of looking for the girl, right? Then this last episode happened the evening/morning after they had to kill her (again), the last two episodes covered less than 24 hours.

I think they can stop worrying about the boy. He’s obviously an immortal super healer since he was near death from a gunshot wound just a days ago. If I were them I’d be transfusing his blood into everybody hoping for magical healing properties.

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Its my theory that one of the enjoyable aspects of zombie shows and similar is the fantasizing of ‘if I was there no way would I be that dumb’.

Unfortunately to let the average person feel that smart means having to make them do some awfully silly things.

Otara

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Occasionally I muse on what I would do if trapped in a mall after the zombocalypse, as were the characters in Dawn of the Dead. I’m confident that at no point would there be a bus ride to a boat that may or may not exist.

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Shh, don’t give them any ideas, the LAST thing we need is for TWD to use the “Magic Pop-Tart Blood” thing that was so prevalent in the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica, where they used Hera’s blood to fix President Rosalyn (temporarily)…

The LAST thing we need is another STUPID “God Did It!” ending, so what, is Lori going to be an “angel” now or something, are all the other castmembers simply delusional Head-People inside Glenn’s/Rick’s/Shane’s head (like HeadSix and HeadBalty)

Oh, oh, I get it, the whole show is nothing more than Daryl’s fevered hallucination, just like HeadMerle, nobody on the show but Daryl is real, and it was all a dream, right? :wink:

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Yes actually. Well, 8 days from the end of this episode. I was just cleaning off my computer and found the timeline I put together back when Sophia was still missing.

Season 1

Episode 101 - Rick meets Morgan and his son and his son’s shovel.

Day 1 - Next day? They go out, check Rick’s house, go to police station, part ways. Rick runs out of gas, rides the horse into Atlanta, gets stuck in tank. (My numbering system starts here because it’s the earliest that can be counted accurately. He could have spent a night or a whole month at Morgan’s, no one knows, but days can be counted accurately from here on out)

Episode 102 - Rick is in the tank, meets the group, escapes Atlanta.

Episode 103 - they get back to campsite and he meets his wife.

Day 2- Daryl returns. They went back to town, found Daryl’s brother’s hand. Episode 104 - they got the bag of guns, met the Vatos and came back mid zombie attack.

Day 3- Episode 105 -They bury their dead, Jim starts to get sick. They talk about going to the CDC. Shane tells the group that they’ll leave first thing in the morning.

Day 4 - …although Atlanta is within sight of the camp and they don’t reach the CDC until dark. How did it take them that long to get there? Who knows.They spend the night there.

Day 5- They discuss the countdown timer, break out of the CDC, it blows up.

Season 2

Day 7- Season 2 starts out with Rick talking into the radio to Morgan and he says they lost another one of their group the "day before last. They load up, hit the road and get stuck in traffic. Shortly after getting stuck in traffic, Sophia goes missing. They look but give up at dark.

Day 8- The next day they find the church, Carl is shot and Shane/Otis go to the school that night.

Day 9- Otis memorial in morning, Daryl searching for Sophia, Glen nearly getting done by a zombie in the well, ends up getting done by Maggie instead. Episode ends at night to the sounds of crickets and Rick’s wife peeing.

Day 10 - Episode 205 starts with Lori waking up as others plan the Sophia search. Daryl says he’s going to borrow a horse. Daryl falls down ravine a couple of times, gets shot by Andrea, everyone meets for dinner, Glenn goes to the barn to meet Maggie, finds zombies instead.

Day 11- episode 206. Not much happens. Glenn tells Dale about the barn, Dale talks to Hershel. Glen gets abortion pills, Lori takes them, barfs, episode ends with her and Rick having an evening talk about babies and Shane.

Day 12- 207 opens with Glenn interrupting breakfast to tell everyone about the barn. When they go look at it, Dale speaks up and says he talked to Hershel yesterday and that he thought they could survive one more night without knowing about the barn. Episode ends with Sohpia taking one in the head.

I’ve only skimmed the last two episodes, but it seems clear that they only span the rest of day 12 and part of 13 and the CDC blew up on day 5.

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Every single time they show a car or truck leaving the farm, they show the driver getting out and opening and closing the gate. The property already has a barbed wire perimeter.

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Well, that time line certainly answers the question about who the father of Lori’s baby is.

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How could it be 8 days? T-bone’s arm is completely healed.

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Yeah - there’s absolutely no way. Carl is up, walking and fully healed from open-chest surgery. Sophia substantially decomposed during her time in the barn. There’s clearly a huge amount of time passing that’s implied but not shown.

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Apart from a few brilliant scenes here and there, overall the show suffers from a pretty severe case of bad writing. The writers are working with a week-to-week mindset, where it makes perfect sense that Carl would be up and awake, but they tie each episode together in such a way that in the fiction only a few days have passed.

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I dunno - I’d imagine a great deal of “whole lotta nuthin’ goin’ on” in a quiet, out of the way, farmhouse encampment. I think the show does a very good job of showing the characters having already gotten into a regular routine, which to me clearly implies a good deal of time having passed. Seems there are some that really need that to be explicitly stated. I really don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that ~2 months have passed since Rick showed up. With such low body fat, high stress and a willingness to not believe she’s pregnant, Lori could have put herself in a very solid state of denial about her pregnancy.

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How long has it been since the shit hit the fan? Reading this thread makes me think it hasn’t been long but I’d been assuming it had been months and I always wonder where they are getting all the petrol. The mobile home, the pointless drives. And yet you never see anybody siphoning out of abandoned cars.

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It doesn’t seem possible, but the timeline is based on pretty solid evidence. I have a hard time believing it myself and wish someone would correct me with some missing time, but I can’t find any. It’s all accounted for.

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The show doesn’t support this interpretation. If you watch it all in one go, you can clearly see one day leading to another. There is no unaccounted “good deal of time” passing by.

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There were a few episodes before the break where you could clearly tell time had passed. For example, I remember one episode featured Lori and Rick sleeping in the farmhouse and in the next episode they were getting out of their tent in the morning. And they talked about everyone checking new grids in the search for Sophia, but in the previous episode they just suggested they would start on a grid system the next day. That wasn’t a continuity error, it was very clear that we aren’t seeing every day on the farm.

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I think the time continuity is one of those things that you just have to accept - the days go by as the story requires them to go by.