Can a woman who is not a new mother lactate enough to satisfy a newborn baby?
Yes, most sincerely dead. Haha.
Unless there is some crazy Prometheus medical bed in that room that allows Lori to survive a c-section with a pocket knife and then run away with just a few staples then I think it is safe to say she is dead. Of course you’d also have to assume Carl decided he couldn’t kill his mom so he fired a shot into the air but then left her sitting there to bleed out.
Then, once Carl found his dad and the others he didn’t say “Hey dad, Mom is down that hall over there bleeding out - go get her!” thinking that instead this will be the funniest joke ever to not say anything and let his dad and everyone else think she was dead. Naturally, Maggie would be in on this joke too. They share the same sense of humor apparently.
I suppose all the media interviews that were released after the episode aired, especially the interviews with the actress speaking about how difficult it was to leave a show and saying goodbye… all a AMC conspiracy to lull us into a big surprise season finale where it was all a bad dream and Lori is in the shower.
Or AMC didn’t want to show Carl press the gun to his own mother’s head and blow her brains out… choosing instead to show Maggie’s reaction to the gunshot.
I’m a little confused. If we’re not supposed to discuss what happened on the show what exactly are we supposed to discuss? If you were referring to the comic reference, are we also to protect the eyes of possible future comic book readers?
I’m thinking that Carl messed up his shot (he probably pointed the gun in the general vicinity of her cranium, and then looked away /averted his eyes), and that she will show up later as a walker. Maybe she will take a chomp out of Carl. Any chance of that happening? I wonder…
Well, I think it’s generally discouraged to discuss comic spoilers on the WD TV threads if said spoilers pertain to events that have not yet occurred in the show and may yet occur.
For example, I think saying “X just died in the show, but they’re still alive in the comic” isn’t a big deal, but saying “X dies in the comic when Y happens, so maybe X will die in the season finale” is gauche (IMO).
Also, just because the threads are “open spoilers” for the episode, that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t necessarily spoiler box stuff from the comic, since the story lines are different, and someone who has seen the show might not want to further spoil the comic for themselves. Just my opinion, though. Is there a consensus on how to treat comic spoilers for these threads?
I don’t think there was a problem with what MeanJoe said about Lori dying.
Thanks, Hats. That helped. Speaking of comics, I asked before, but will try again. Any idea how many comics make up one season of WD? Was mentioned last night on TD that there were 107 comics so there was a lot a material to glean from.
I feel bad for Maggie’s character. She’ll be relegated to nanny duty from now on.
I think Carol is still alive and hope they don’t give up on her just because they found her scarf. They really need to clean out the prison and I don’t know why they were content to clear only part of it. Daryl did mention that they were running low on ammunition, so maybe they were planning to do that.
I’d like for them to find out that the baby doesn’t have the virus, that the baby’s blood has antibodies. Of course they can’t harvest a baby’s blood, but knowing that humanity isn’t doomed would give them something to live for.
ETA: I’m glad it was mentioned that Lori also died in the comics. I was wondering if the writers killed her off because fans hated her, and it’s good to know that’s not the case.
It’s inconsistent. I read the trade paperbacks rather than the monthly issues, so I measure storylines by volume.
Season 1 basically covered Vol 1 of the comics.
Season 2 basically covered Vol 2 of the comics, though they spent WAY more time screwing around on the farm in the show.
Possible Season 3+ spoilers (nothing specific, but there’s info on how long certain storylines went in the comic):
In the comic, they spend volumes 3-8 in the prison, but The Governor didn’t get introduced until Vol 6 or so, so the show seems to be going faster than the comics for now. I predict that Season 3 will cover the entirety of the prison arc. If not, it probably won’t go farther than Season 4.
Lori’s death in the books makes absolutely no difference as far as the show is concerned; the showrunners have made it obvious both in interviews and in show development that the television storyline can, has, and will diverge from the books. As far as spoilers from the books are concerned, if it’s necessary to refrain from spoiling the storyline in the books regarding events in the timeline that are now in the past of the television storyline, that’s a further restriction than what I’ve understood it to be previously (which was not to spoil events taking place in the television storyline future based on book knowledge - posting last week that Lori will die because she does in the books would have been verboten). (Note: I have not read the books and have no dog in this fight.)
Anyway. I believe Lori is completely dead and will not be back, although I do concede the possibility that Carl screwed up somehow and she’ll return as a zombie. I wouldn’t bet on it, but the possibility exists. I believe Carol is still alive.
This was a powerful episode overall, and I liked the contrast between the beginning of the episode where they were pulling in the cars and Hershel got up and around and the total chaos, confusion, and devastation that followed. Woodbury seemed almost like an unnecessary diversion in the middle of all that.
Season 1 of this series covered what, 10 issues from the comic. It’s not precise because events don’t line up exactly the same.
That would be awesome if that happened.
Someone mentioned that the ammunition is running low. I would like to see more “primitive” long-range weapons like Darryl’s crossbow. Or long-hafted impact weapons, like makeshift spears and axes – why risk getting so close with knives? (More dramatic, maybe?)
That was pretty great. 
The episode was basically all about Rick’s bad choices, and the high cost of them. I mean, that guy who was behind the whole mess at the prison? He had every reason to try and take out Rick’s group - they shot one of his comrades, Rick chased him into a Zombie Courtyard to die horribly, and he probably saw them force his remaining comrades into a pretty grim cellblock. Yes, he could still leave - but Rick’s group has made it pretty clear that the outside world is a poor bet for long-term survival. Under those circumstances, I’d probably try to kill Rick et al myself, and hope I could hook up with my old cafeteria-mates in the chaos.
Short version: Rick made an enemy needlessly, and then neglected to kill him. Two bad calls, both absolutely his fault.
Speaking of bad calls - nice for Rick to see that he was wrong about the other prisoners, as well; there really wasn’t a need to treat them so badly.
Just to play devil’s advocate, I don’t think Rick believed the guy would survive being locked out in a yard full of zombies. In his mind, he had killed him. As for the other prisoners, Rick was trying to weigh the odds of allowing them to join his group and having them turn out to be liabilities vs. leaving them on their own and being less of a threat in isolation. And remember he actually got a consensus on that course of action from the others (with the exception of T-Dog).
Oh, I’m sure Rick believed Andrew had been killed - but he was foolish to hold this belief. Had Rick seen that yard before? Did he know if there was another window, door, or fire ladder that might have been dislodged in the early panic at the prison? For that matter - he knows that a healthy human can kill a limited number of zombies, so long as he finds something blunt or stabby, and keeps moving. He knows this because he’s done this, many times. Trapping someone with zombies probably means they’ll die, but it’s not a sure thing.
Further - letting the zombies kill Andrew would have meant another Walker. Not helpful. And there’s also the pesky matter of morality; even if Rick’s belief that Andrew had to die was reasonable (and I don’t believe it was), leaving him to be torn apart by Walkers is sadistic bullshit. Like I said, Andrew has every reason to be furious at the Ricktatorship.
Yeah, I’m not arguing that it wasn’t foolish. As for sadistic, well yeah, it’s the end of the world, and Andrew was in league with Tomas. Fuck him.
I have been meaning to ask this – assuming a zombie gets a hold of you, how much will it eat? Just a few chomps? If you were grabbed by a bunch of them, wouldn’t they just reduce you to tiny bits by the time they got their fill?
My apologies if anyone feels I spoiled something. I really felt that since it happened on the t.v. show, mentioning the same outcome in the comic story was okay. As others have pointed out, speculation with details from the comic about what may happen in the t.v. show should be verboten. That is why last week I put in spoiler boxes some very minor things from the comics regarding the Governor’s storyline and who is outside the fence line in spoiler boxes because it could spoil an upcoming plot point in the t.v. show. I honestly did not think my post was the same thing or else I would have put spoiler tags around my comments. 
I enjoy reading these threads to much to have this degenerate into a Game of Thrones thread type argument over spoilers so please accept my apology.
MeanJoe
Seems to vary, I’d guess depending on the number of walkers who attacked and how hungry they were. I don’t think T-Dog will be walking around zombified judging from his remains, and we only saw two walkers on him. So it’s not guaranteed that Andrew would have been another walker had he not managed to escape that yard.
I think Hershel’s younger daughter is the more likely choice as nanny.
I don’t see any pressing need to clear out the rest of the prison (assuming no one else sneaks in and purposely lures in zombies). If they’ve got their section clean, and all of the gates locked, it seems an unncessary risk to venture into more of the prison to kill trapped zombies.
I kind of like the idea of the immune baby (and part of me thinks it’s an overdone trope), but I doubt there is a lab anywhere close to them that could isolate antibodies at this point.