Having some hope left that there might some day be a cure or that there might be something human left in them doesn’t really strike me as all that horrible either though.
Curing a seperated head might be kind of a dick move.
I’m talking about the daughter. He said the heads were about acclimatizing himself to the horrors outside.
I thought her zombies were related to her? Not that it was stated out loud but I thought that was the impression we were supposed to get. So yeah count me in as another who didn’t get her whole OMG how horrible reaction to the Governor keeping his zombie daughter chained up.
Regardless of whether they have been related to her in some way while alive she kept them for a practical purpose and got rid of them when she needed to without hesitation. She didn’t keep them in her bedroom because she was still in love with them.
Was I the only one laughing at how quickly Carl offered to put a bullet in the other kids mom’s head?
Oh, woops.
Keeping your daughter alive because you think a part of her might be in there is actually a bigger dick move. You have to think that A) part of your daughter’s mind is in there somewhere but that B) she’s undergoing a horror beyond comprehension, forced to live in this horrible state, having something else control you, your body rotting while you’re traped inside…
I thought the same thing about Hershel’s barn. If you love someone, and you think they’re still sort of in there, then kill the fuck out of them immediately. Prolonging their existance as a zombie is horrible, and the fact that you can’t pull the trigger is a moral failing - you’re forcing them to suffer through that existance because you’re not strong enough to come to terms with the situation.
Let’s not be too kind to the Governor regarding those heads. After all, many of those heads probably belonged to his victims rather.
Well we know that the helicopter pilot’s head was one of them, and he was alive when it was cut off presumably. So yeah, lets not go too easy on the guy. A lot of people are finding ways to cope with this new world, and so far I’m not aware of anyone else that keeps heads in fish tanks as a part of this process.
I got the impression that up until this episode, we were supposed to see the Governor as “kinda crazy.” The killing of his daughter and having his eye skewered has advanced that to “full-blown batshit crazy.”
The Governor is not crazy. He’s evil. He’s savvy enough to hide his wickedness, true enough, but he’s evil nonetheless.
Yeah, kidnapping Glen and Maggie and torturing them. Then wanting to kill their crew not to take over the safety of the prison but just because, i dunno because fuck them i guess? was already pretty indicative of the Governors insanity or evilness.
I think you should avoid generalizations. Michonne actually doesn’t aggravate me as much as a lot of the other characters.
THIS did bug me though. C’mon. I’m totally fine with her not talking to strangers, but she spent 8 months with Andrea and there’s some odd, almost romantic tension between the two of them. She couldn’t say “turn your head, he’s keeping live zombie heads in aquariums, and a little zombie girl in a straitjacket!” I mean, the Governor’s explanation after the fact may have soothed Andrea’s fears, but Michonne could have taken advantage of that moment of shock and horror to put him down before he could do that.
I’m just grateful beyond measure that Michonne and the Governor’s backs-and-forths weren’t what happened in the comics. That would have been my last episode 
Ugh, it is going there, isn’t it?
The fuck? Two guys in a year is promiscuous?
As to her sleeping only with powerful alpha males - so what? How nice a world do you think women are going to have in the zombie apocalypse? Most of the breeding-age females will be rape-and-baby-bait at best. We’ve already heard of it happening once, and we’ve been staying pretty closely to our one tiny group of survivors. The safest thing a healthy woman could possibly do in this situation is 1) learn how to shoot and keep a gun on her and 2) make sure the most powerful men have a vested interest in preventing her from being gangraped. It is what it is.
What is isn’t is promiscuous.
I didn’t hear zombie noises, just rattling from the door.
No, because it’s a bullshit sexist comment.
The Governor seems to be taking a propagandist playbook to heart. I’m not at all surprised he’d use a word like that - very loaded to Americans - to describe the people who broke into a calm, secure and green-lawns settlement and started killing people.
I actually thought that scene was an awful fail. The little girl actress wasn’t selling the whole zombie thing at all. And the Governor’s face was easily within reach. Why fixate on a bowl of meat with a live face that close? She didn’t even lunge at him. If anything would “prove” she had some mind left, to me it’s the fact she didn’t react to him at all.
Probably because the prison group IS an actual threat. I mean, they managed to break in with 4 people, break two of their own people out of a guarded group, killed several of the Woodbury people, and then made it out unscathed. They wouldn’t have even lost Daryl if he hadn’t gone (apparently) looking for Merle.
I rewatched the scene, there are definitely zombie noises although not full on attack loud zombie noises, more like idle vaguely choking zombie noises. Enough that someone experienced in walking among them would notice. Even if not, she could’ve talked to the girl and asked for a response, or even just kept her chained up and pulled the hood off at max distance. If we’re trying to portray Michone as a world-weary badass, it’s pretty silly for her to do what she did even without the sounds.
Good point. He’s making his citizens all good and propagandized.
Actually, my point was that the Governor’s actions do not generally seem purposeless, delusional, or irrational; rather, they are selfish, callous,and designed to consolidate and increase his hold on power, and to bring him pleasure regardless of the cost to others. Evil.
Why would the pilot have been alive when they cut his head off? I highly doubt that’s how it went down.
I think the point is “Not a zombie when taken.”
Well I meant that he wasn’t a zombie. He was in the infirmary or whatever injured, but still human, the last time we saw him. Then his head was in a fish tank. So what I was saying is that his head wasn’t a zombie head, it was a human head. It wasn’t a trophy from a zombie kill, but a human one. So yeah, evil.
edit: simulpost. Yeah what he said.
I fear for Axel’s safetly once Carl starts to pick up on his interest in Beth. Carl wouldn’t even need to kill him himself; one little false accusation and Carol would kill him without a second thought. 
Michonne had several, conflicting clues. Yes, Penny was changed up in a cage & there some odd sounds. She was also wearing clean clothes, there were toys insight, and probally smells heavily of perfume. It’s not hard to believe she mistook Penny for a living child at all. Hell we know she could’ve been flashing back to her own childhood memories.
There’s been nothing onscreen to suggest she knew her zombie pets; she destroyed them without hesitation the moment they became a liability. In the comics…
…one was her boyfriend, the other his best friend.
Yeah, that was pretty funny. You know Carl was probally thinking something like “What a wus, he can’t even watch someone hell put his mother down.”
Agreed. And I think the Governor isn’t doing this for purely selfish reasons; he genuinely believes his actions are what’s best for Woodbury & his leadership is the only thing keeping them safe. Don’t get me wrong; he is an extremist, and he’s making some pretty torturous rationalizations.