Indirectly killing her, because anyone who could have helped her was incapacitated at the time (Carol and Herschel). Granted she probably would have died anyway, but to Carl’s eyes she could have been helped and because of the walker invasion no one could.
Andrew was one of the inmates.
Andrew was one of the inmates who tried to kill Rick. He ran away and Rick locked him outside the prison in a yard full of zombies where it was assumed he’d be killed. Turned out he wasn’t and he came back for revenge.
Edit: He was shot by Oscar, one of the other inmates who later died in the Maggie/Glenn rescue.
I also didn’t like them acting like it was all over once they scared away the army, but at least they copped to that fact quite quickly and resolved to follow them and finish things. Anyway, it turned out to be an effective demoralizing tactic. Most of the Governor’s troops didn’t want to return and he decided to go all crazy on them. Now he’s in kind of a crappy situation.
Of course they couldn’t have known that would happen, but you can’t argue with results. Still, your idea of stealing the trucks would have made way more sense.
I enjoyed the episode overall, but I was hoping to see the Governor turned into zombie-chowder. Instead he got ride off into the sunset. Didn’t like that.
I liked it–especially the energy of the terrific opening sequence with Milton, the Governor, and Andrea.
But the episode lost steam as it went along. I don’t think the Governor would have brushed off Tyreese’s refusal to join the assault group the way he did. Maybe the Governor wasn’t at the point where he’d just shoot Tyreese and his sister in front of everyone, but I do believe he would have said, “Fine–you’re out of here right now.” Especially considering how Tyreese said he’d be willing to do anything to help just a couple of episodes ago.
The attack on the prison started well and had some nice sequences, then turned into a bit of a wreck. The Governor ruthlessly murdering his own army was a surprise I enjoyed, as was so many people from Woodbury joining the prison. I agree with others that it seems far easier to just relocate to Woodbury than truck everyone over, and the writers are now saddled with pretty large cast of characters crowding into a place that is demonstrably unsafe and has a seemingly endless herd of walkers dwelling in its bowels.
I wish, really, they had ended the entire Governor/prison plot with tonight’s episode, but it appears its going to go on for quite a bit more. Maybe that will end up being a good thing.
I liked the Andrea send-off better than a lot of people on here, it seems, but I too was rolling my eyes at her rather lengthy dialogue during which she seemed to forget all about racing the clock to free herself. Also, it might have been nice to show Milton at least trying to move towards to her with whatever energy he had left to help her get the pliers, but that’s a nitpick and logically he probably felt it better to die as far away from her as possible.
The Governor kept throwing people at Rick’s group, getting them killed by attrition (and killing them himself,) until the population dropped below a sustainable level.
Thus, the Governor himself destroyed Woodbury.
Carl is a stone-cold killer. He’s not completely wrong about needing to do what you need to do, but he doesn’t seem able to distinguish friend from foe. Or maybe more accurately, anyone not part of their group is apparently a foe and must be killed immediately. I’m having a hard time deciding if he’s a complete psychopath or very well suited to live in the world as it is now.
Yeah, that was ass. This was weak sauce, ESPECIALLY after last week’s episode. Guns going off, zombies dropping, people dropping, and it was boring!
All that shooting and they didn’t disable the vehicles? And as said upthread, they didn’t disable the vehicles while they were in the prison? It was very convenient how the heavy mounted machine gun jammed just when they could’ve used it on the cast. All that shooting in what was an AMBUSH and they didn’t seem to hit anyone, despite the claim of a “slaughter”. Most ineffectual ambush ever. I swear, some of this shit is showing all the logic, forethought, pacing and quality of a film made by some high school kids with Aftereffects.
After awhile, I got tired of watching Andrea try to pick up pliers with her feet and started FF through those parts until she finally got them. The pliers scene was this week’s version of Andrea running. Thank god she’s dead, now they can irritate us with someone different.
They didn’t kill the GOVERNATOR!?!?! You gotta be fucking kidding me. You. GOTTA. Be fucking kidding me!!! YOU. GOTTA. BE. FUCKING. KIDDING. ME.
Who the hell did they get to write last week’s episode, and can we start up a petition to get him put in charge of this shambling mess?
When Carl plugged that guy, I was all, “Way to go, Carl”, and thought Rick was being a total fucking moron about it. They knew they were going to be attacked - didn’t they discuss in advance what their “prisoners of war” policy was going to be? Mine would be, like, none.
Not keeping the big trucks? Idiotic. At the very least, use them to salvage every possible item of value from Woodbury and park the big trucks across the torn-open prison gates as a barricade.
In fact, I’m still leaning toward the idea that it would be safer to move to Woodbury anyway - it has infrastructure and with all the noise at the prison, it’s gotta be zombie ground zero by now. Not exactly the best place for a load of new (and largely noncombatant) residents.
And what the fuck was the deal with that prison attack, anyway? Fifty million rounds get fired and nobody (except for Carl’s rite of passage sacrificial victim) gets a scratch? What is this, an episode of The A Team?
So now everyone (well, everyone still alive) knows the Governor is a psycho. I’m starting to think the Woodbury residents must have already been brain-dead not to have wigged to this long before.
I want to see Carl become a leader to the new kids, who will rapidly demonstrate that just like they could handle the internet better than their parents because it seems normal to them, they’re far better at dealing with threats both zombie and nonzombie than any of the adults who still have lingering inhibitions from the before-time.
She couldn’t figure out how to cross her legs. Must be from lack of practice.
Too soon, man, too soon.
/No it wasn’t.
I think we need to be clear about something. The only Woodbury resident who knows that the Governor is psycho is the sole survivor of his attack. No one else from Woodbury saw it happen, no one else has seen him since it happened and she came back with three armed members of the ‘other’ team.
Personally, I was very surprised that the gatekeepers at Woodbury believed a word any of them said. Honestly, they should have just shot Rick, Darryl and Michone.
Anyways, there’s really no reason why this can’t still get spun around so the new prison residents turn on our guys. They don’t know what happened. The only have that one girl’s word and she could have been a hostage for all they know.
Even his loyal goons were giving each other meaningful glances. I was a little surprised (well, disappointed, really) that of the group of prison raiders, all of whom were armed, all of whom were keyed up from the failed attack, not one plugged the Governor when he started shooting. Even that jerk whose son got killed conveniently froze up, but I guess I could buy this as the result of virtually none of the Woodbury people having a real soldier/survivor mindset (which might explain how they played sheep to the Gov for so long, but also raises the question of how they survived as long as they did - were they all in denial about killing Walkers, letting the messy job be done by a handful of thugs?)
Of course, if this was a logical series, the surviving Woodburians would also become aware of the Gov’s torture chamber and head-aquariums, so even if they didn’t believe the surviving woman, they have ample evidence in Woodbury itself that bad stuff was going on unseen.
Conveniently, they have plot-sensitive aiming skills - when it’s important for them to miss, they miss.
Well, I guess we can assume that anyone who didn’t believe the Gov had been the bad guy all along would not have gotten onto the prison bus in the first place, nor would Rick have bothered to force them to do so.
Then again, taking a bunch of unwilling noncombatants to the prison so they can eat your food and plan to overthrow you is just the kind of determined dumb-assery I’ve come to expect from Rick & company.
The Gatekeepers were Tyrese and his sister
Why the hell wouldn’t they believe her? Even if they were a little bit confused and incredulous right then, they’ll see that there’s nothing preventing her from telling them the truth.
Then there’s also Tyrese’s word about the Governor’s torture chamber.
There is literally 0 ways this could be spun around so the new residents turn on the group.
I have no idea what Andrea could have done with a pair of pliers to free herself from being handcuffed to the arms of a metal chair.
If I were in the prison, I would demand mg own lockable cell, what with the score of septuagenarians they just brought in. I’m not buying a ticket in the “who is going to die in their sleep tonight” lottery.
It is amazing how Rick and his group can score headshots at will against zombies, but cannot hit the living, even when they are clumped together.
I thought the kid that Carl capped looked less like he was surrendering his weapon and more like he was thinking too much about his next move. I didn’t mind Carl’s “not gonna ask you twice” stance in that context.
Exactly. Unless they show them going back and forth to Woodbury for supplies, this was yet another reaction not thought through by Rick. Of course, it gives the writers an opportunity to write another long-winded, contradictory-to-my-last-long-winded speech for Andrew Lincoln. Honest to god, are we going to get one of these “this is how it’s gonna be from now on” speech during every season finale?
As for supplies, maybe Woodbury will have baby formula, unless they get it from the same place they get their unlimited supply of gasoline. And bullets. And water.
From this show? I wish I had your confidence in the writing.
I thought the same thing! Herschel may have said the kid was surrendering, but I got the impression the kid was weighing his chances against someone half his size and an old man with one leg. If someone points a gun at me and tells me to put down my weapon and I’m on the up-and-up, I’m putting it down, or at least certainly making a motion to do so. The kid stood there, not because he was afraid, but because he was considering the odds. At least that’s how it looked to me. I thought Carl’s decision, in this new zombie world, was spot on. And I loved his reaction when he saw the bus empty of all those people- he stormed off and perhaps was thinking exactly what a lot of us were thinking. “Great. More fucking people to feed and protect.”
Ah, Laurie Holden. Maybe you’ll stop getting death threats now. Whenever I think of your talents wasted in this schlock, I’ll fondly think of you in the better schlock of “Silent Hill”. At least you were smart and smokin’ hot in that one.
Well that sucked. Why didn’t they just lock the gates behind that Governator’s assault team and let the walkers take care of them? Just when I thought the stupid was over the writers turn it back up to 11.
Because they couldn’t assume that the Gov would be as stupid as they tend to be, and not leave someone behind to guard the entrance. It looks like they were that stupid, but not something you could on.
If Maggie and Glen were sneaky and close enough to throw flashbangs then they could have shot any stragglers and closed the gates. Dumb on every level.
I was underwhelmed. I wish they’d all piled into that dumb Hyundai and driven away from the prison.