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The worst part of that scene was that Gabriel was holding his assault rifle the whole time, he could have just lit up Negan the second he heard him.
What I liked about Rick’s daydream is it implied a pivot in the show from talking about the end of a civilization to the beginning of a new one which I have argued this show needed to do a long time ago.
Despite a few plot holes, I really did like the pacing of this episode, and I liked the musical score, too. And, yeah, the up-armed Winnebago was way cool! It felt like it was a good “building up to something” episode. One other thing that kind of bothers me, and maybe this is just my own faulty memory, but there seemed to have been a discontinuity between where the last episode left off and where this one picked up. I figured we were just supposed to think: the last episode ended, and then a bunch of things happened, and now we’re picking up after those things happened without really knowing precisely what they were.
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Thanks, Chronos. We’ll kill a Walker in your honor next week!
Basically the idea was to let the Dead do all the dirty work. The plan was to break their fences and windows and lead the dead inside and let them invade the Sanctuary. Shooting the windows was to make it as vulnerable as they could.
Because the Dead usually climb up 30 feet of bare wall?
Shooting the windows was because that’s where the defenders were, zombies are not going to rappel up a building.
Yeah, and what could possibly go wrong with that? Just turn the walkers loose and you can go home and make s’mores with the kids, not a worry to be had. All will be taken care of.
Right?!? I understand it is just a TV show, but why do characters act so ridiculous?
Negan: You got your shittin’ pants o–.
Father Gabriel: BLAM!
I understand because of plot armor that Negan can’t be killed until the end of the season. Fine, I get that. But then the writers should just not put him into a situation where there is no reason for the characters onscreen not to kill him! Have him at least do something to protect himself, use a human shield, whatever. But for the characters to not kill him (or at least try!), when the only thing they want is him dead, just because the plot needs him alive, is some of the worst writing this show has had, and that is quite a feat!
Where we’re Carol and her band of dummies going before that grenade went off?
I voted ‘meh’, and almost voted ‘didn’t like it’. I am so tired of the weak writing on this show. If the plot needs it, our heros can shoot a sentry in the head with a freaking arrow from 100yards, and take out armed and experienced sentries with pointed sticks or whatever. Then, when the plot needs it a dozen of them can open up with automatic weapons on a balcony full of people and not hit a single thing.
Negan is the only thing keeping the bad guys together. He should have been dead about 2 seconds after he walked out the door. And even if Rick had other plans, Negan wouldn’t know that and so he wouldn’t walk out in the open in the first place.
The ‘armor’ they put on their vehicles was laughable. That corrugated tin wouldn’t stop a .22. They had no element of surprise - that convoy wouod have been spotted miles away, and should have been ambushed. They were facing a dark building several stories high -it should have been festooned with snipers. Rick’s people should have been mowed down the second they stepped out of their vehicles.
And of course, Gabriel’s sudden need to save a man who had backstabbed them multiple times also made no sense, other than as a way the writers could get him trapped with Negan.
What’s infuriating is that it all could have been done so much better. The writers snd producers appear to be just phoning it in now.
One slight improvement - they appear to have someone on set now who actually knows how to hold a rifle properly and has taught the actors to do so. It drives me crazy to see people casually waving their weapons around with their fingers on the triggers.
Sure, the M4 carbine doesn’t have the coolness factor of a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire.
I liked this episode. Maybe I just missed the show? It seemed like every regular cast member was given at least a few lines to speak, and Daryl’s bike made an appearance.
I was trying to figure out why everyone was shooting with all of the accuracy normally associated with the Emperor’s stormtroopers. There must be a reason, but it might not be the most obvious one. And then it occured to me what THE PLAN might actually be. There is a difference between telling Negan that he must die, and actually killing Negan. Challenging Negan on his home court suggests that Negan is not infallable. Shooting windows sends a message to Negan’s slaves that Negan can’t protect them. Letting Negan’s lieutenants know that they are not on the kill list could undermine Negan’s authority at a later date. Infesting buildings with walkers takes away food, stores, and shelter until the walkers are delt with. And that takes time, and manpower. Time and manpower Negan might not have during a war.
If Negan dies, he dies, but I don’t believe that is THE PLAN.
IMHO, of course.
The Talking Dead show was hysterical. Hardwick looked like he was herding cats. How do you keep a lot of ham actors in line when there are cameras around? The answer is - you can’t. Props to Khary Payton and Michael Rooker for stealing the most stage time.
That’s what I’m talking about. Remember when they were trying to take sick Maggie to Hilltop and there were Saviors everywhere? Now Rick and his team just dominate the battle space with impunity.
Honestly, I couldn’t figure out what “The Plan” was. So they kill all the sentries, ride up with their vehicles unopposed, Rick and Negan do their pissing contest, I think they ambused a Savior convoy somewhere, they shoot up the main building, herd a bunch of zombies into the base, then ride away?
In all fairness, with the exception of ex-cops like Rick and ex-military like Abraham (who is dead), the rest of these dickheads are former office workers and housewives and whatnot. It’s not like anyone is teaching these idiots CQB drills or sniper training.
I was on the liked it side of meh. Mostly because of all the holes mentioned before. If you don’t have a grenade handy to throw at Negan and his seconds you’ve got plenty of material for Molotov cocktails. At least give him some cool burn scars for the rest of the season before you take him out. (“Cool burn scars” is facetious btw.)
I spend about half the time watching wanting to know why the f*** did you just do that? It’s as bad as watching a horror movie where everyone splits up to search the creepy house.
Oh, shoot, I am so sorry, I was under the impression that the comics were not necessarily a spoiler, because the story arc isn’t entirely the same as the comic book. Won’t happen again!
It’s the usual par of bad writing. Probably ever episode of the last season had something similar.
Nothing can quite match the bad writing of fake killing Glen (Oh my god, they’ve killed Glenny!), just to have him the big super twist kill at the end of the season, ruining the big twist.
They’ve got like about two total big shock moments in the season, and they just utterly f**ked the big one.