Actually, thanks Adam. That was a nice post, specially since I used to have a crush on you.
I Am praying,please don’t worry about me. I Do appreciate your concern. You seem to have gotten more mature over the months.
SqrlCub, I appreciate what you’re trying to do for me, but really, the way I feel is, my homosexual behavior has done nothing but harm for me over the years, and I’m ready to try “switching teams,” as Seinfeld put it. Heterosexuality, to me, is the way God meant it to be.
Adam wrote:
Yes, I must echo Adam’s sentiment, Rose. I encourage you to seek out God’s will and do it. I trust He will not lead you astray.
What, no David B. following me here, saying his heart is broken now I don’t want him? Hee hee…
And ARG220 weighs in, yet again, against personal choice.
Anyway: Snark & Rose - maybe Isaac Asimov had a solution for y’all: read “The Naked Sun.”
Monty: And yet, both Bill, and Rose agree with my post. As both of them know, God’s will is more important than “personal choice.” Mormon, or Christian, I think we can agree on that.
Amen! 
<small>Mormons are Christians.</small>
Monty wrote:
What’s it about? Can you give us a hint?
That just made me laugh – I’ve had to say so many times in debate, “Catholics are Christians!”
God bless you both; I hope everything works out for the best for you.
Catrandom
Thanks, Catrandom.
And I’ve got to say: Isn’t bigotry just the greatest thing?
Oh, groan. Can we move this thread into “Great Debates”, please?
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Bill, my impression of what SqrlCub was saying about the “certified sex therapist that I know who heads a clinic in New Hampshire” is much what Gaudere and I were saying in the Gay Marriages thread…that acceptance of oneself, as one is, is an important prerequisite to any successful relationship or to any inner peace. I personally don’t think that God is having a hissy fit about your finding men attractive. This has nothing to do with your sex life per se, it has to do with your inner sexuality and the personality that it is a part of. And without acceptance and self-love, in appropriate moderation, you cannot be who God wants you to be.
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And I am filled with deep joy that you and Rose have found each other, given who you are and what she has been through. I think that the relationship is going to have a few rocks in the road, but nothing you cannot get past.
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Adam, I respect your religious views. Rose, I respect your religious views. Monty and Snark, I respect your religious views. But is it possible that we can get beyond anybody’s narrow definition of what God can and cannot do? I think Joseph Smith and the leaders of the Azusa Street Mission would be united in suggesting that the important fact is that you are both committed to Jesus, and whether the Nephites buried golden plates in Ontario County, NY or Bill ever speaks in tongues is completely secondary to that primary fact. May God bless and prosper your love.
My $0.02:
[list=1][li]Good luck.[/li][li]You stated you prefer male bodies over female bodies; you also stated you don’t believe in sex before marriage; therefore, I can assume you’ve never had sex at all, with neither a man nor a woman. At the risk of being forward, I can’t wait to hear how your first sexual experience with a woman goes.[/li][li]One of my boyfriend’s best friends is an openly gay Mormon - still worships at church, still a member of the community, and so on. However, like you, he has decided to remain celibate until he meets the man he wishes to make a lifelong commitment to (marries); at that time he plans on having sex, and he also plans to voluntarily leave the Mormon church (although he will always believe in the church, but he understands the sexual act is contrary to church doctrines, so he will abdicate his membership). Dunno, just an interesting tidbit; not sure how relevant it is…[/li][li]Issues, issues, issues. You’ve said yourself, snark, that you prefer male bodies; you’ve “programmed” yourself with gay porn; you are greatly influenced by your church; you called yourself a “pervert”; and you’ve said that your major obstacles are phsychological and religious in nature. Regardless of whether you’re gay, bi, straight, asexual, or from Venus, I think a nice long round of therapy would do you oodles of good before even thinking about getting yourself into any kind of relationship. A friend of mine who was raped when she was 18 has never received any kind of counseling for it, and can’t understand why her marriage and all of her relationships have failed.[/li][li]Ignore everything I said - it’s a free country, and we’re all entitled to make our own mistakes proudly, for better or for worse.[/list=1][/li]
Once again, much, much luck and love to you both, and congratulations.
Esprix
Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.
Sure, Poly, be the voice of reason. Keep this up and it will have to go to Great Debates and not the Pit.
Snark, you may not like being out in public and all that, but as a guy who has been married for a few years, being with my wife is a heck of a lot better than being alone.
Not to rush you guys, you should take it slowly. But again, my best wishes. You know what though, it does not matter a hill of beans what I or anyone else thinks, as long as you guys are happy.
Jeffery
Bill: I didn’t mean to say that Mormons aren’t Christians. I should have said, “Those who love God, and want to follow His will, will agree on that.”
“Life is hard…but God is good”
::: applauds Adam :::
And thank you Adam. I didn’t want a great debates here. Just be happy for us! Well, we’ve covered sex, religion, now lets talk politics! Flowers, cyber congrats can be sent to orangecakes@yahoo.com…
It seems to me you’re entering this relationship having been 100% honest with one another about some of the most important issues in any relationship; sexuality, religion and commitment. So long as you’re going in understanding that there are significant differences that have to be overcome, and are willing to put forth the effort to do so, I trust that whether it works or not you’ll be ok in the end because of the honesty with which you approached this.
Best wishes to you both, orangecakes and Snark.
“How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world.” - Anne Frank
Adam wrote:
In the small bedroom, there came the sound of its sole occupant’s jaw dropping onto the carpeted floor with a loud crash, followed by a “Wow! Has Adam changed or WHAT?”
Bill, pick up your jaw from the floor! Adam didn’t say Mormons Were Christians either. But I’m not gonna start something here!
I love Jesus more than anything. And BTW, I Do speak in tongues sometimes.