I don’t think Zenster is doing anything wrong. It isn’t slander if it’s true. If someone sprays water through my window by accident, I might be mildly annoyed. If I finding out that person is grieving a dead spouse, all of a sudden I’m not going to give a fuck about some water in my window. Even at my most annoyed, I’m not a fuckwad enough to try to get somebody evicted over it. This evil, self-absorbed fucking psycho of a woman deserves to have the truth be known about her.
Hey, Zenster, maybe you could find out who her clergyman is and tell him how this woman is behaving. I think most responsible clergy, even fundamentalists ones, would find her actions lacking in basic Christian charity. Perhaps a dressing down from an authority in her church would make her think a little bit.
The way I see it is that Zenster is outraged by cruel and petty behavior by someone, and so chooses to broadcast the news of this all over the neighborhood, ruining whatever “reputation” this whack might have.
Nothing sociopathic about it. Looks to me like Zenster has a lot of compassion for the widow and is shocked and appalled by the cruelty of her neighbor. Too fucking bad for the bitch (no, I won’t call her a cunt, from what I’ve read she lacks the depth and the charm).
If someone accidentally sprays water in your window, all you have to do is nicely, politely, bring it to their attention, “I don’t know if you’re aware, but you accidentally splashed my screen. I just thought I’d let you know-it’s all right, I know it was an accident.”
And I’d only do that if the water was excessive.
This is outrageous. But I still can’t see someone being evicted over something like this.
I know the type. My former landlord, a good catholic, wrongly withholding the damage deposit (as she did for every tenant) of the two sweet old NUNS that lived below me.
I don’t feel that Zenster is a sociopath here. If a person publicly proclaims their christiananity, it’s okay to publicly call her to act as a christian.
If I were to publicly claim that I am a great basketballer, and someone were to call me on that claim, I would have no grounds in court or in ethics to silence those who have proof against my claim (i.e. those who have seen me lose to 10 year olds in HORSE).
If I kept my basketballer claim to myself, it would be a different manner. But the moment I make it public, those who question it with examples of proof are not being slanderous.
naw, she’d probably take it to the police and claim Zenster was harassing her. And Primaflora, what Zenster is planning is not slander, it’s the truth. Slander is when you make stuff up. I think personally, it would be more effective to go to her pastor, but the end result would be the same really, shaming her into changing her behavior.
As far as tenent rights go in California, I live in Ca and I just had my upstairs neighbor move out recently, she said it was because her next door neighbor complained nonstop about her “noise.” (I live in a Victorian that’s been converted to two downstairs units, one of which I live in, and three upstairs units). The woman that complains about the noise constantly is a little off her rocker, she’s knocked on my door and barged in my apartment, convinced the noise was coming from here a number of times. She was obviously dissapointed when I was reading or something, not making any noise. Personally, I think the “noise” is the various voices in her head. Anyhoo, she would constantly complain to our landlord who finally jacked up the lady she was accusings, rent. Nobody elses, just the one woman. We’re all on month to month, so he can do that. So she moved. It’s freaking the rest of us out b/c noone knows who noise lady is going to zero in on next. However, from what I hear through the walls, she just got herself a new boyfriend so I think she’s mellowed a bit.
My point is, there are ways to get around tenent rights, unfortunately. And for the record, the woman in the OP is a sadistic, sad excuse for a human, it makes me so sad to see people like that.
Zenster - just a suggestion. Instead of expending your effort doing unpleasant things directed at the bitch, how about trying to figure out ways to exert the same amount of energy in a positive way to make things nicer for the widow?
Just speaking for myself, I find that concerning myself with unpleasant people does not give me peace of mind. Plus, you may be frustrated if your attempts to bring about “justice” are not successful. Or worse, boomerang to your disadvantage.
OTOH, it is hard to anticipate a downside from acts of kindness directed at a needy party.
aside - It would surprise me if any landlord would evict a tenant of long standing for a single complaint from a neighbor.
Geez, Dinsdale! There must be someone really annoying you IRL, because you are seeing defeatism/negativity everywhere you turn here at SDMB.
My advice to you? Look really hard at the posts you feel like jumping on, and then don’t. If you take the time to think about the posts, and look at them more carefully, you will probably find they aren’t as whiny as you first thought.
I was trying to be positive and constructive here, Zabali.
Who the fuck do you think I am jumping on here?
I see 2 major players (besides Z) in this situation. One worthless bitch, and one sympathetic widow. Aware of an injustice, Z desires to act. But he has options. Does he commit generous acts aimed at a party who could probably use some kindness in her life right now? Or does he seek vengeance against the hypocrite?
Moreover, does his choice of action have any impact on how he feels about himself? Or is it all the same to you, whether you push someone down, or help someone up?
Also, what is the desired result? To have the widow feel better? Or to make life miserable for the bitch? Which is more likely? What if the bitch is already miserable? Even if she isn’t, how will hurting her help the widow? And how would the widow feel about Z going about hurting someone’s reputation in her name? Have you never experienced the situation where you expose something unpleasant about someone else, and find out that instead of being appreciated you are resented as the messenger?
Keep your copper pieces to yourself, click your heels together, and go the fuck back to Kansas you ignorant git.
I don’t see why taking action to prevent the neighbor is wrong. As long as Zenster tells the truth about the situation, (and does not exaggerate), to the landlord I see no harm done. The widow is too grief stricken to defend herself, or take much action to prevent her eviction. He already expressed his condolences to her.
Who’s being ignorant? You’re making an ass out of yourself, in stereotyping me, and speaking hatefully about my birth origins. If that is your idea of intelligence, and helpfullness, not only can you keep it, you can stay the hell away from me! I made a simple observation after seeing 2 posts by you on the same day, in which you accuse the OP of not taking positive action. It certainly was not deserving such lame venom. Link to the other thread in question.
You show your knowledge of where I live in that statement. If you had taken the time to read some of my previous posts, you would have seen me state fairly recently that I was born in Kansas. (In the current Fred Phelps thread in fact. I am ashamed he’s associated with Kansas FTR.)
I think you are, in this case over reacting just because someone made an idle speculation as to what could be making you so very touchy on SDMB and offered decent advice. That’s a compliment of sorts, btw because it assumes that you don’t usually rush to conclusions and make such an ass out of yourself.
I agree that what she is doing is wrong, moreso as the nice neighbor has just suffered a horrific loss.
I think calling this loony a vaginal cavity is an insult to those of us who have vaginal cavities I cannot even think of a truly vile slur against her name because women are not as attached to our vaginas like guys are to their weenies.
Besmirching her honor with terrible names like cunt, slut, whore and the like, are usually more painful. That’s just my two bits.
Either way, this woman is a stain on humantity.
However, **Zenster ** you know I adore you launching a smear campaign against this loony woman really is not becoming on you.
Now, I am not saying to be a door mat, either. Everyone needs someone to help them out sooner or later and I applaud you for wanting to interact. It is a very rare person indeed that wants to get involved. Getting involved in your own life is trying enough, doing so on behalf of someone else’s life that you are only nodding aquaintence too is commendable indeed.
I think the loony’s sister is probably pretty aware of her sister’s weird behavior. Just advise the loony’s sister of what has transpired in as diplomatic manner as possible, then proceed to help out the nice widowed neighbor (as **Dinsdale ** suggested), curtly giving the physcopath the cut direct.
All I ask is that you cool down and think about it. No sense in possibly pissing off the loony neighbor’s sister ( whom you are assuming she will side with you. Blood has a way of just strangling the rationale between family members) and then you will have two nutjobs to contend with.
What a soulless douchecock. Damn. Christians aren’t called to forgive people just out of turn - if someone runs over your dog and doesn’t apologize to you and say they’re sorry you aren’t just supposed to pretend nothing happened and forgive them automatically; you don’t kill them, but you have every right to be hurt and upset and to take steps to protect yourself and others from them.
Zenster is pissed about the heartless behavior of the old hag, he’s not contemplating beating her head in with a bat - he’s expressing very well-deserved disgust at her horrible, thoughtless behavior and has every right to do so.
No one has any right to judge Zenster, if you’re a Christian and have a problem with his reaction - pray for everyone involved, don’t tell Zenster his indignation is unjust, or that his actions are out of line - that does nothing.
Why not do a little of both? You could casually mention what this loonie has done, but why not help out the widow too? She probably needs some support. Why not offer to babysit her kids, or make her some dinner, or wash her windows or something like that. There’s lots of stuff you could do.
But I wouldn’t be able to resist telling someone about what happened. Like they say, payback is a bitch, and so am I.
Correct, telling everybody truthful negative things about a person is not slander; slander requires lies or disregard for truth or falsehood.
However, the act could be defamation of character.
The act is definitely gossiping and use of a wicked tongue. This is a pretty strong transgression in several ethical codes.
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WTF is it about fundamental Fooists that they discard all the tenets of their faith when dealing with anybody who doesn’t follow their particular Fooism sect??
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