Puh-lease! I’m 5’6" and I’D be afraid of physical assault from other inmates. 'cuz I’m white and I got no ink or gang affiliations. And I cry when I’m hit. Does that excuse me from prison time? I may as well give it a try if it comes up.
See, maybe it’s just me…but I’m having seeing why that should be anyone else’s problem. You committed a crime. A rather disgusting one. Your ass goes to jail. If you’re not phyisically able to defend yourself, then you may gain some insight as to how your victim must have felt.
They’re sentenced to prison. That includes all that a prison sentence implies.
I thought it was quite common to keep such prisoners appart from the normal prison population. And being 3’ or 8’ tall won’t protect someone from a gang or a weapon.
I tried opening a thread on this over in MPSIMS in the hopes of getting some serious feedback, but what the heck, I will try it in the pit – doesn’t the state have some custodial responsibility for individuals it incarcerates.
I think the judge in this instance is making an important point, not about height, but about the fact that the state is either unwilling or unable to deal with its responsibilities.
I am surprised that there are not lawsuits against the individual states or federal government for failing to provide for the safety of those individuals they are holding in custody. (Although I am sure that legislators have written themselves some way out of that possibility.)
Now don’t get me wrong, I am an extremely vengeful person (I have people willing to attest to it) but I still think that the government that incarcerates people has to take the major responsibility for their safety. The punishment of being jailed is supposed to to reside in the loss of liberty, not the risk of assault or death (even if you are disgusting low-life child molesting scum).
Isn’t this rather similar to the female sex offender who was deemed ‘too pretty’ to go to prison?
Also reminds me of Mary Kay LeTourneau.
LeTourneau went to prison, didn’t she? (Strangely enough, they were interviewing her and that Vili guy on MSNBC earlier. Creee-peee!)
She did. Then she got parole, slept with Vili, and went back to prison. She’s now Mrs Vili Fualaau.
Yep, I’m aware of that. I remember they had their wedding registry online. THAT was a hoot and a half.
It makes me so unbelievably angry that the Enron guys are looking at sentences of about 20 years (ok so it’s still speculation, but that doesn’t seem all that unlikely), while this guy who RAPED A CHILD gets to skip jail completely because he’s a short little shit. Yes, fraud and all that is still very bad and those Enron people should pay for what they did, but what sort of logic says that they should spend more time in prison than people who decide that they want to have sex with kids?
And it’s not just him. Why don’t child molesters get more prison time?
This guy is about to go on parole after serving 5 years of a 7 year sentence for molesting his daughters.
Here are some more sentences that make no sense to me. I’m too angry and depressed to look for more.
Does anyone have any stats on prison sentences for child molesters? Maybe on average, they really are going to jail for a more reasonable amount of time, and I’m just focusing on the short ones?
Look, I agree that shortness isn’t a defence to sexual offences involving 12 year old girls, but did anyone else notice that the sentence required this guy to get rid of his porn? I’m afraid to ask what sort of magazines he’s subscribing to now… :eek:
The requirement that he not date or live with a woman with children under 18 seems a bit redundant- I can’t imagine too many women with kids would want to be romantically involved with anyone who has convictions for sex offences involving 12 year olds…
And what exactly is implied? And before you come back and answer with any type of institutionalized violence, bring a cite.
I’ll bring whatever I choose, Pal.
Prisons are full of criminals. Anyone who is inside of a prison is in danger of being harmed by these criminals. Yes, prison officials should do what they can to keep the prisoners as much out of harm’s way as possible. And yes, prisoners who brutalize other prisoners should be held criminally accountable.
Nevertheless, only so much can be done – prisons remain a very dangerous place. The jury that convicts a criminal knows that prisons are dangerous. The judge who sentences a criminal knows that prisons are dangerous. The criminal knew that prisons were dangerous when he committed the crime.
A prison sentence causes a person to be locked inside a dangerous place with what are often violent and deviant criminals. People sometimes get hurt there. That’s just the way things are.
You’d be surprised. In the few months I spent working for CPS, I came across a whole lot of women who were romantically involved with men who had convictions for sex offences involving children. Either they believed that he hadn’t really done it, or they thought that he had reformed, or they were too drugged out to really care. Scary.
[mode=Tolkien pedant astonished at this slip-up from Qadgop of all people]Dwarves? Really?[/mode]
Yes, I believe that the state does have a responsibility to police the prison population and maintain the safety of all it’s prisoners.
As for lawsuits from prisoners for abuses - because prisoners are exempt from filing fees they abound. Of course, some of the abuses in these lawsuits are rather more mundane than you or I might consider an abuse. (I seem to recall a suit about whether cold bologna sandwiches as a regular diet was abuse or not. This is not to say that the suit is necessarily frivolous, I don’t know off the top of my head the details enough to say. Just that it’s rather a different kettle of fish than, say, being buggered by Bubba.) Some prisoners use this exception to harass those who testified against them, but that’s relatively rare, AIUI.
Having said that the state has a responsibility to protect this yahoo from the other inmates, I do not see where keeping him out of the general population wouldn’t do that adequately. Certainly protecting him from what the judge considers to be a rather predictable consequence of his own, voluntary action should be made secondary to protecting society from him for a period of time.
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Pedophiles do look for woman with children or even woman who can bear their children for purpose of molestation, as it is much easier to molest children in your own house. It’s called “growing your own victims.”
I think the first sentence was to a mental institution because she made the judge feel sorry for her.
Debra Lafave was the one whose lawyer argued she was ‘too pretty for prison’. After pleading guilty to having sex with a 14 year old boy, Lafave (26) was sentenced to three years house arrest and seven years probation. Her lawyer said, “To place Debbie into a Florida state women’s penitentiary, to place an attractive young woman in that kind of hell hole, is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions.”
After that plea deal was rejected by a judge, and a second plea deal was rejected by a judge, the charges were dropped entirely.
Why is it that women who have sex with young boys routinely get less of a punishment than men who have sex with young girls?
Maybe this was just a May-December relationship like Mary Kay LeTourneau and Villi Fualaau.
Is this a joke? Because if not… there are new depths to which I was not aware the human mind could sink.