In that case, you are making the bad argument, the one that acts as if discussions of morality somehow exist outside of the society’s morality they are discussing. If you know something is axiomatically considered wrong, then moral debate will require being extra careful not to step over lines.
Imagine if, instead of rape, someone came up with a scenario where they tried to make child molestation/rape into something that could be acceptable. That happened here, before you joined, I believe. The guy was a pedophile, as should have been obvious, and the mods let it go on way too long.
Emotional maturity requires that you are careful when discussing sensitive subjects. It requires that you read the room. It has nothing to do with finding things offensive, distasteful, or immoral.
And, really, you just gave an immature response to an immature post. You are not someone who seems to care for “emotional maturity” except when it allows you to pretend to be better than everyone else, which is your main contribution here. Emotional maturity would see a place you don’t like, where people don’t like you, and would either try to change that, or leave. Not constantly whine about how horrible the place is while still willingly posting there.
I don’t think Max was trying to justify rape - I just don’t think his mind has learned to filter stuff like that. It didn’t occur to him that that could be a really inappropriate and offensive topic. Hopefully the suspension will help him learn that that kind of thing is wildly inappropriate. I think he’s an earnest poster who puts effort into his posts, so I hope he does learn this lesson. Good moderation.
In this case it was fairly obvious at jump that the upside of whatever philosophical breakthrough was about to occur in that thread was not worth everyone having to look at it and wonder what kind of sick fuck would even think of it.
Lord, when I think of some of the bizarrely offensive shit I said, sincerely and without an ounce of trolling, as a teenager, I thank all the gods that I was pre-Internet.
Yeah. Oh yeah this applies to me too. I’m embarrassed to think about some of the stupid opinions I had at that age and how awful they were. Luckily none of it is immortalized on the Web since it wasn’t really a thing at the time.
Sometimes neutering isn’t the worst thing in the world. Do you have kids?
I haven’t seen any indication of that. I believe, however, that it’s an established fact that Max_S is quite young. “Young” in the specific sense of “still has a lot to learn”.
Indeed. Funny how it’s often mentioned that the membership of this board tends to significantly skew older, yet somehow we are all emotionally immature children, at least according to the self-aggrandizing wisdom of our resident cephalopod.
You know, when you’re not discussing politics, or looking down your nose at the other posters here, you’re a halfway decent bloke. It’s just too bad that your Dunning-Kruger won’t let you take that “superiority complex” stick out of your ass more frequently.
Now there’s the whole mistaken right-wing worldview in a nutshell.
It’s based on a misguided, unscientific, and oversimplified understanding of how evolution works, or something.
All human development for many thousands of years has been based on cooperation, interconnectedness, and putting the wellbeing of the community first. Otherwise we’d still be living in caves.
Right wingers are like drone bees who imagine they can live without the hive. They’re like cancerous cells in the body who imagine it’s in their best interests to multiply at the expense of other cells, and end up killing the whole body, along with themselves.
The idea that ‘might is right’ is a cancer in human life, besides being just plain wrong in terms of scientific understanding of evolution.
They are not absolutely correlated, no. Your hero Trump would be a good example. He’s physically old, but literally has the maturity of a small child. But he is also literally an idiot by any measure of intellectual capacity.
But you if are to be believed, emotional maturity is strongly negatively correlated with both age and education level, both of which tend to skew above average here. So one possibility is your theory that smarter, older, better educated people tend to have childlike immaturity. The other possibility is that you’re a moron who is just as wrong about this as you are about almost everything else. I know where I’d put my money.
What do you know of “emotional maturity”? Nothing I’ve seen from your copious contributions here evinces even a passing familiarity with the concept.
You sometimes have valuable counterpoints to what does admittedly tend to be a board consensus on many topics. However, you consistently couch your observations in the most sneering and dismissive fashion possible, and then - when repeatedly called on such behavior - you double down by alternately preening over your ostensible superiority or whining about your martyrdom to the cause of truth. Your body of work here suggests that either you are largely disingenuous or completely lacking in self-awareness. Neither tendency correlates with any degree of emotional maturity.
That’s true. Organisms cooperate. Even our own so-called human bodies are symbiotic and probably wouldn’t exist as well or if at all without ore symbiont microbes. However, this cooperation or competition doesn’t exist under the framework of a governing moral code. It just happens to be that what has evolved up to this point in every species is a successful strategy. Morality has nothing to do with the vast amount of known life in the universe.
Humans at least have the concept of morality but it’s not universal and that’s why debating and contemplating sets of moral axioms has value. Different sets do exist and did exist and they can be the cause of irreconcilable conflicts between and within societies. Furthermore, unintended consequences of hard coded sets of behavior such as in a robot can be very destructive.