Just to be clear… nobody is getting a pony. Stop asking.
I want a pony.
I’ve got extra crickets, their pretty big.
I don’t think it’s about forbidding a broad topic, such as rape. It’s about forbidding a particular type of hypothetical about rape.
I don’t think you understand. If you forbid anything, it opens the doors to forbidding everything. Forbid grotesque hypotheticals about when rape is okay, and next thing you know, debates about ontology are out the window! What’s next, we can’t even debate which is cuter, puppies or kittens? Debates about the slippery slope fallacy get you the banhammer?
WHY DOESN’T ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS?!??!!?
Yeah, I guess I’m stupid that way.
To shift back to the topic of trolls on the Dope, a prime example from DemonTree:
She selectively quotes me saying that I think it would be a good thing if those billionaires and CEOs who use bigotry to manipulate people and maintain power became fearful of the masses they exploit (i.e. the guillotine), but leaves out the part in which I specify that I’m just talking about these manipulative billionaires and CEOs, in order to imply that I want all conservatives/Trump supporters to be in fear of the guillotine.
When called on it, she pretends that even wishing that fear upon those manipulative fatcat assholes is “extreme”.
I don’t buy that she actually believes this – she just snipped something out of context because she wanted to make me look extreme, and then lied about it. In other words, trolling.
Wow, you really are salty about that. And yes, wishing anyone to fear the guillotine is extreme.
Wanting to control people through fear is an authoritarian idea, and things like the above betray your fundamental attitude towards it. (I’m told this is not an insult.)
I recommend reporting it if you haven’t. It’s clear enough that, even in the pit, quoting out of context is moddable.
Do you think the quote, “When the government fears the people, there is liberty”, is an authoritarian idea?
It’s not about controlling other people, it is about preventing them from controlling you.
The group that iiandyiiii was referencing controls large swaths of our population through many means, including fear. All iiandyiiii wished for in that quote was that they understand what that is like. That the power not be so one sided.
It would be authoritarian to take the side of those in power over those that they control, as you have done here.
Yes, it betrays my fundamental attitude towards those billionaires and CEOs who use bigotry to manipulate and exploit people – I hold them in utter contempt. They are terrible, disgusting people who are making the world a much, much worse place. The world would be a better place if they became fearful of those they manipulate and exploit.
I don’t actually believe that you think it’s wrong for me to hold these people in contempt. I don’t think you actually believe that it’s wrong to wish these people were fearful of those they exploit. You’re just trolling here. Your tut-tutting just doesn’t pass the smell test. It’s entirely reasonable to be contemptuous towards billionaires and CEOs who use bigotry to manipulate and exploit people, and wish they were fearful of those they exploit.
Good idea, thanks.
Right, and since we have little recourse or legal means to separate them from their money, let’s separate their heads from their bodies instead. That’ll fix everything.
The point isn’t whether people agree (and I do, fwiw) that billionaires could stand with better regulation to enforce much needed social responsibility, it’s the way you propose we go about it. Vive La Revolution!! Is a catchy slogan but few people (I hope) think public executions are a way to move towards a more just society.
So while you’re waiting for her to admit she agrees with you, perhaps you could take this opportunity to agree that public beheadings are probably a bad socio-economic policy.
I didn’t say “bring on the guillotine”. I said the world would be a better place if those fatcat assholes came to realize that they better support progressive policies because they came to fear that the alternative might be the guillotine.
Do you really disagree with that sentiment? I find it hard to believe you’d say that you do.
I just want to say that I for one oppose bloody revolution, but also wish that the people who might incite it through their abuse of power would come to fear the possibility, and act in such a way as to stop inciting people through the abuse of power.
Or they could just give power up. There’s a point to be made about the difference between fascists and anti-fascists: you can get out of the cross-hairs of the anti-fascists by… ceasing to be a fascist. You can get out of the cross-hairs of fascists by… ceasing to exist.
Right. This is exactly what I believe, and what my post was saying.
In other words, as a relatively affluent person, one of the reasons I support progressive policies is because I don’t want the masses to come kill me because they’re so angry about how unfairly they’ve been treated (there are many more reasons, including basic decency and fairness, that are the more important reasons for me personally). The world would be a better place if all relatively affluent people felt this way, especially those who’ve exploited people using bigotry.
Exactly. I’m very much opposed to revolution; it so often ends terribly.
I suspect if they do, the response will be repression; more abuse of power, not less. Eg “Send in the troops.”
What I don’t understand is why you support ideas and policies that seem so counterproductive to that end. Like, you’ve literally got 10’s of millions of people (and they are hardly all fatcat billionaires) in the USA who hate and fear progressives and the policies you’re talking about, so… you want to do that more?
Where as I would like for the masses not to come kill me because someone signalled to them that there are circumstances under which it’s okay to kill those who have amassed greater wealth and power. All that accomplishes is to delay when they get around to me (and you). Mobs tend not to be very nuanced about discriminating among those in the bourgeoisie class.
I disagree that the motivation needs to be fear of public execution. I don’t know how I can be any more clear than that.