Trolls R Us Resurrections

I don’t see any trolling. He’s clearly making a point. If you accept that a woman who no longer has a uterus is still a woman, then obviously the term “women” and “people with a uterus” are not synonymous. It’s a way to appeal to that fact even when you do exclude trans people (as so many in that thread want to do) the term “women” was always inaccurate when talking about people with uteruses, and yet no one complained before about that.

That thread is full of people defending transphobia. You have bump arguing that the 2 million trans people don’t matter because they are a minority. It’s “silly” to want to not exclude them. You have Cats2 bringing trying to argue that trans women are mysoginists trying to take the word “woman” from women, using the TERF canard that what feminists fought over was the definition of the word “woman,” and not, you know, women’s rights. You have bump arguing that the 2 million trans people are too few to matter, and that we should ignore the minority group for the majority.

That thread and the one about Netflix are exactly what I was talking about when I was saying I don’t want to bring up this topic here. These people may not be trolls, but it’s infuriating dealing with this nonsense. I had hoped that getting rid of ywtf and DT would help, but now we have more who argue the same bullshit.

You think everyone understands why bigotry is wrong, but then you find that it was only for the minorities they care about. They have no problem trying to silence trans voices, or trying to pretend that being pro trans is actually misogynist.

I commend Wendell for that post. He got right to the heart of why this whole thing is TERF nonsense, pretending that there is this huge group of women who are offended by being called people.

And, while I’m here, I’m going to blow off the steam for that thread. What are these people doing who lie about the thread topic, pretending it’s about whether cis women can call themselves women"?

Oh, and @Atamasama: if you have something to say, please actually say it. There are many different ways I could interpret that GIF.

What I will say is that, in the context of the thread, we were discussing all “female” anatomical features, not just vaginas. Someone can still be a woman without a vagina. She may not even have been assigned male at birth, but had her genitals mutilated to make them look “normal.” But, of course, trans women are also women.

The article was claiming that a bunch of women were upset that medical literature was trying to come up with terms to make sure that trans men were not excluded. The concept equally applies if the term they are complaining about is “bodies with vaginas” and “bodies with uteruses.”

No, because very few people have vaginectomies (is that even a thing?), but lots of people of hysterectomies. Seriously, WTF?

The discussion reminded me of a scene from the Office…?

Am I the only one who’s seen that show?

Life is too short to be watching TV. There are only so many hours in a day that you have the chance to scold people on the internet.

I got it.

@BigT I have a hard time believing that he could post that abhorrent tripe without knowing exactly what kind of reaction it would get. Also - I have to agree; that thread is a billion kinds of awful.

Nope. He actually does not know the difference between a uterus and a vagina. He’s neither a troll, nor making any kind of point. He’s just that stupid.

I don’t know a whole lot about plumbing or its terminology, but I know the difference between a faucet and a water heater.

I’m sure he would realize that a few people would completely miss the point. But not even I anticipated it being this many people. And I’m the guy who tends to overexplain to avoid exactly this type of mockery and misunderstanding.

Nothing I’ve seen from Wendell suggests that he is a misogynist. Nor has he ever come across as someone who was trying to rile people up. So I don’t see any reason to jump to the misogynist interpretation of his post. I think he was trying to make a point about trans people, but didn’t explain it well. He’s like that. It often takes a few clarification questions to make sense of what he’s trying to say.

As for the thread itself: I would love to be able to vent about that thread, but I’m not sure how to create a Pit thread under the new title rules. My title would need to be something like “I Pit transphobic arguments and not listening to trans voices,” but would call out several Dopers specifically.

What I will say here is this: I think that article was a TERF hit piece. The arguments in it are their exact form of disingenuousness about the subject that they tend to use. There has been a movement by TERFs to use their connections to put out these articles. The lack of byline so we can check if the writer is a well-known TERF is suspicious.

And I don’t get why that isn’t obvious, even if you aren’t aware of TERF stuff. It’s clearly an outrage bait article that frames a minority as bad.

He did clarify. He replied that he did not know the difference between a uterus and a vagina. He is making no point at all about trans people.

Got a live dumtroll in my trans thread. Compared to the other stuff that’s been frustrating me, it’s actually kinda refreshing to see. Like they thought their first comment might not be quite inflammatory enough and so made another.

A post was split to a new topic: RangerLoops troll posts

Looks like some posts got cornfielded. Which trans thread? There seem to be a few.

Do a search for RangerLoops. 22 responses cornfielded.

The one I started in Cafe Society, about trans creators who talk about the trans experience. The troll first named someone who is in the news for some transphobic stuff, then added another post where they did some crude misgendering involving genitals.

Man, I feel like I really missed something big. RangerLoops was all over the place on this board! Must have been a trock. Kudos to ecg for wiping that poster out everywhere. Cool method – split all the posts into one thread called RL Troll Thread and then delete the thread.

I too was late to the party. Might have been a fun read. Or not.

Always in the middle of the night too, sigh…