Hmm, round and round we go and get nowhere fast. If I’m wrong in my view that Jesus is the only way to heaven, what have I lost? However, if those who believe there are many paths are wrong, look at what they lose. Is it worth the risk? There are other subjects (which I won’t mention) in the Bible that I find just as clear as the salvation issue. If you don’t accept the same truth that I get from the Scripture then the only thing for us to do is to agree to disagree and be loving about it.
So now we’re back to Pacal’s Wager? Please.
His4ever wrote:
An infinite amount of love and joy.
What you have lost, H4E, is the very compassion that the greatest person to have lived, Jesus Christ, displayed. You display exactly none of that; however, when you call others sinners, cultists, and the like, you tell us that you love us. Then you tell us that we’re sinners because the Bible, when interpreted strictly literally, says certain things are not to be done. Now, according to the OP of this thread, a couple of other posters are doing something that the Bible, when strictly interpreted, says isn’t to be done. The question posited in the OP here was why aren’t you haranguing them. Well, the answer is obvious to me. You don’t harangue them because you don’t hate them. OTOH, you do hate the Roman Catholics, the Homosexuals, and the Latter-day Saints. What comes out of your mouth proves you hate them and thus them you harangue.
I read the Bible and I notice that one thing that a literalist like you really should sit down, read, and memorize–hey, make it your mantra!–is found in Matthew 15 (I bolded a couple of words for you):
What comes out of your mouth (well, computer since this is a message board) is hateful words. You’ve demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge about both the RC and LDS churches and yet you harangue us.
Maybe I’m wrong at the beginning of this post. You probably didn’t lose that compassion. You most likely never had such compassion for your fellow humans to begin with.
BTW, to harangue is to address someone in a harangue. A harangue is a ranting speech or writing.
And, anyway, for a lot of us it’s not your view that Jesus is the only way to heaven that’s getting our goats. It’s your uneducated and incorrect repetition that a whole bunch of us Christians aren’t Christians.
Well, that and this lie (that’s the one I italicized):
Your behaviour is not loving about the disagreements as to the interpretation of scripture here.
[Italics Mine]
I too used to believe out of fear.
You’re entitled to your opinion of me, Monty whether it’s true or not. I don’t hate anyone and you don’t know my mind, heart, or motives. I don’t have the time to visit every thread and post and “harangue” (as you put it) everyone I disagree with.
So, sharing my view in a few threads is a crime because I don’t post in all of them constantly? I just about don’t have anything much to say to you guys anymore, which should make you very happy.
Though my beliefs remain the same, I apologize for seeming to be unloving. That was not my intent. Neither can I fudge what I believe to be true to be in the “clique” at the SD board. It continues to be my contention, that if you care about people, you’ll tell them the truth, especially about eternal things. Anyway, nothing I say is going to make any difference to any of you, that’s for sure.
Hey-number one rule about the Clique is that you don’t talk about the Clique.
Got that?
His4ever wrote:
The reason it makes no difference to me is that you speak on your own authority.
Now I understand. We gays, Mormons and Catholics are special. She actually loves us more than everyone else so she tries extra hard to save us.
In my earlier post, I was referring to the question posited in another pit thread.
As for H4E’s last posting here:
Darn tootin, I am. The big difference between my opinions and yours is that mine are founded on my observations of facts. Your opinions are unfounded. Take a moment and attempt to digest that comment.
You constantly prove that there are those whom you hate and those whom you don’t hate. Your stalking arouned the boards of the LDS, the RC, and the Gays proves there are at least three groups of people you hate.
Nor do you know the mind, heart, or motives of the LDS, the RC, or the Gays. Nor do you know the heart, mind, or motives of God.
Is that supposed to make those of us you’ve condemned feel special? Does that mean there are other groups, had you time, you would also stalk around these boards and condemn with no actual knowledge of their teachings or practices?
Here’s a novel concept: try to practice what Jesus preached instead of deciding if everyone else (well, everyone whom you hate) is just flat out wrong.
Nowhere did I say or imply that. At any rate, I’m still not convinced it’s actually your view other than that it’s a view you’ve adopted without actual research. In other words: you’re merely parrotting something someone else who hates us said.
What would make me happy is if you would:
[ul][li]Learn.[/li][li]Quit acting like you’re God[/ul][/li]But the world doesn’t exist to please me. So long as there are those who preach the tripe you’ve parrotted, there will, sadly, be those who, such as you, who are quite content to parrot that tripe.
There’s no seeming to it.
I don’t believe this. Here’s why: when shown your “information” was bunk, you continued to parrot that bunk. When shown how that “information” was perceived by those whom you harangued, you continued to harangue them with that “information.”
Oh, good grief! Now you’re retreating into “It’s a conspiracy against me” theory.
Then get off your ill-informed, hateful tush and try to share those beliefs in a loving way. Start out with no longer condemning people as cultists.
That’s because for three months and eighteen days now, you’ve proven yourself to be naught but a hateful, prejudiced, unconcerned liar. Want me to believe anything you say? Prove you’re not a liar.
And on preview, I see this comment from Lib:
To which I say: Lib, dang you’re good. Not only that, you’re danged good.
How about 1 Corinthians 13? (see below) Surely H4E doesn’t see the calling someone an abomination and condemning them to hell as “kind” or “not rude” or trusting (such as trusting that gay people and God can work out something between themselves) or hoping (such as hoping that a loving God doesn’t punish people for being how they were made).
I want everyone to go write this down somewhere.
You may not have noticed, His4Ever, but at any given moment half of us aren’t speaking to the other half. And the half that are not speaking to the other half are not necessarily speaking to each other.
I surmise that by “clique” what you really mean is, “All the people on the SDMB who disagree with me.” I suppose you haven’t noticed that half the people who disagree with you also disagree with each other, sometimes to the point of Pit threads and a lot of ugly name-calling, on other equally vital issues, such as gun control, SUVs, abortion, politics, etc. And thus, they do not form a cohesive “SDMB clique”.
Shut up, Duck.
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Monty, you may have just paid paid His4ever the highest accolade a Christian could receive. 
Would that we could all act like Jesus.
grienspace: No. That’s not the biggest accolade a Christian could receive, IMHO. Had I said “I notice you live your life as Jesus would” then that would be a compliment. Telling someone “Hey, you’re running around acting like you’re the Judge of the Universe (in other words: God)” is not a compliment.
Well, if it turns out that Mohammed is the only way to heaven, you’re pretty much screwed, aren’t you?
H4E, assuming you are correct in everything you have ever said… How could such a hateful tyrant as your god be worthy of my worship. Why should I bow and scrape before an immoral diety who would treat his creations like shit?
Just because your newspeak calls hate by the name of love does not make it so.
You have both lost the same thing, no?
How interesting that you suggest someone be loving. Would that you could manifest this in your life/posts/anything else. But of course you’ll now say you were being loving as you understood it to be, despite the fact that you’ve been told repeatedly that what you’re doing isn’t loving.
Do you at least understand (however much you may disagree with it) what we’ve been saying to you for some months now?
Oh, and one thing for Monty, just to demonstrate a very simple (yet amazingly unfathomably to His4ever) idea.
Firstly, what Monty said. Secondly, Monty, unless something has reversed itself in you in the past five minutes, you are perfectly willing to admit that you might be wrong about everything religious you believe, yes? This is, after all, one of the core problems we’ve had with His4ever. I realize you believe the path you see to God is the correct one (which can be said for any number of people here). However, one of the key differences between you and His4ever (besides recto-cranial inversion) is your ability to say “Yeah, I could be wrong”. The best you, His4ever, have been able to to is say “::exasperated:: I guess it’s possible I could be wrong about something, but so what? That doesn’t change what the Bible says and what God says!”
You, His4ever, really and truly, honestly, just do not get it.
Utter bullshit. I do not have to be loving about you and your kind influencing decisions that impact on my life and make the world a place unsafe for folks like me. Do you not get it?
When you preach your hate and point out that gays are abominations that is the same mechanism that gave the KKK the authority to lynch blacks. People bash and kill and rape gays because we are seen as abominations. They are able to dehumanise us and treat us as lower beings because of Bible interpretations such as yours. Do you truly believe that is what your God intended? I am sure that you will talk about the villains not being Christian but the point is they learned this hate the same place you did and it is the same hate.
While I cannot live with my spouse because we cannot legally marry and get me US citizenship due to neither of us having dangly bits and yet you jump from hubby to hubby to avoid burning with lust and do not see a problem with that I will not be loving towards you. Your God has no authority in my life so please stop imposing Him on me. That is all I ask.
Do you really believe there is any queer anywhere who has not heard the word already? We know what you think, all you are doing when you tell us over and over is bashing us. Stop.
Thylacine, I hope you have some pain relievers ready. As soon as His4ever posts a reply to your post you’re going to want to bash your head into a brick wall. I cannot think of any single person here who has gotten through to her just by virtue of what we say. That she’s changed because of emails is somewhat apparent to me, but I get enough crap in my inbox without asking for more.
[sub]Now let’s think, H4e, what would cause me to say this?[/sub]