Veronica Mars 5/9/06

I suspect this is true and we’ll learn more about the details next season. Veronica thought Beaver’s motive was to avoid being exposed as a victim of child molestation, but I’m willing to bet it’s more complicated than that, and it involves the cliffhanger with Kendall and the briefcase.

Remember how the mystery of Veronica’s rape was “solved” last year? The show has an interesting habit of casting new light on old mysteries.

I’m hoping thats a sign, but no I didnt notcie until you pointed it out to me.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed until I hear some news about next season.

The bus crash was before Big Dick fled, Beaver started his real estate concern and incorporation became an issue. My feeling was that he didn’t want the word of his molestation getting out because he didn’t want to be exposed as a victim and shamed. He was fine with the other two ratting out Woody as long as they left him out of it. Since they refused to leave him out, he had to shut them up.

He only tried to use the molestation later, after editing himself out of the voice recording. Although why he was recording it in the first place I suddenly don’t understand.

Or on preview, what cbawlmer said, plus the puzzlement on why record the molestation conversation at all.

I’m thinking it’s more that it’s something that could hurt Keith and/or Veronica if he doesn’t take care of it, rather than it helping them. He wouldn’t blow off the trip with his daughter for mere money.

Yeah, my friends and I chatted that one over a bit after the ep. Duncan HAD broken up with Veronica before Lily died, and Logan had just broken things off with Lily, hadn’t he? So him and Veronica getting together makes some sense in that alterniverse, especially since A) he wouldn’t have been all distraught over Lil’s death, B) Veronica would still have been the '09er at heart, and C) like Lily would even care if Veronica dated Logan.

Though the implication of their brief conversation – that things ended with that “older guy” she was dating when she slept with his ex – is OOGY if you consider the “older guy” to have been Aaron… :eek: :smack: pukeysmiley

One touch I think was a bit overdone.
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Hee, I thought I was the only person to recognize that pose!

I suppose it might have been, but only a little, and it was subtle enough. I was more pleased at having recognized it than annoyed at the reference.

You folks make plausible cases, but my gut tells me not to buy the “Cassidy left Mac high and dry” idea. I think someone else did something to her. Did Cassidy really have time to clean out everything–including the sheets on the bed!–before trotting up to the roof to kill Veronica? That’s stretching TV time a little thin to me.

The briefcase does not contain Marcellus’s soul. If it did Keith’s face would have been glowing when he looked into it. Unless the light bulb burned out…

I don’t think a faculty member would have leapt to Weevil’s defense–just that they would not want the graduation ceremony disrupted like that. It had to put a bit of a bummer on everyone else to see the Sherriff standing in the middle of the room cuffing a classmate.

As a couple of you have pointed out, it was Roni doing most of the work in the “reveal” scene with Cassidy. So it wasn’t really “the villain explaining himself” in a literal sense. But I’m not really a fan of mystery fiction, so scenes like that still grate on me, be they a staple of the genre or not.

In other, trivial news: did anyone else catch that Woody was staying at the lodge under the name “Mr. Underhill”? A laugh out loud moment. (If you don’t know, that’s the alias Frodo Baggins was using in The Fellowship of the Ring.)

Here’s my understanding of how the land scheme worked:

**Otto[/O] is right about the original motive for the bus crash. For the scandal Beav was biding his time, but his need to keep the abuse secret trumps even that, necessitating Woody’s fake hotel room tryst. The way it works is when it looks like the incorporation plan will pass - property values in the areas outside of incorporated Neptune will fall all during the run up to the vote. Then Pheonix (funded by Haaron) buys up as much property as possible, and when the scandal hits at the eleventh hour and incorporation fails, the prices go back up, and Beaver makes a killing. If the Casablancas name never comes up in the scandal, there’s no reason to think Pheonix did anything more than bet against incorporation. But if Beav is somehow tied to the scandal that fixed the vote, suddenly his business practices are pretty suspect. But Beav can use the molestation as the leash to get Woody to torpedo his own plan.

…and with Beaver and Haaron both dead, Kendall the figurehead gets all the assets.

I wonder if Mac, who handled all the technical aspects of the business (did she set up the bank accounts as well?), will have something to say about that.

IIRC, he was wearing a headset with a Mic on it. Maybe doing that pirate radio show when they (those other two boys who were molested) came in as started talking with him about it.

And since I’m rambling, more about Cassidy:

I think he may have recorded the conversation just in case. There was a lot of duality seen in this season, and Cassidy finally showed himself to be not Dick’s foil, but an enemy worthy of Veronica. (And thus, he’d be inclined to some of Veronica’s strengths as well, and of course knowledge is power is a maxim Veronica lives by. So a record of the conversation…just might prove useful, someday.)

Look at their similarities: Cassidy is one of only two people shown to have manipulated Veronica when she thought she was getting the better of them, and the only one she didn’t catch right away (the other is Van Clemmons). He keeps secrets, he makes plans (the bus), but can also improvise when needed (the sheets and towels) - just like Veronica. They both manipulate people to their own ends. They’re both smarter than they are given credit for, generally. Veronica sometimes uses her dad as a front for her own investigations, Cassidy used Kendall for his business. They both have suffered socially at school. They both have a self-serving mother who is disinterested in them. They were both sexually assaulted.

But he’s the darker side. Veronica had a father who loved her and looked out for her, whereas Cassidy had nobody in his time of need. Veronica, for all that we love her, has certainly not escaped damage herself - look at her difficulty in trusting people, her tendancy to seek revenge, and her moral mis-steps in pursuit of justice. (And yet, going back to the first episode, they both seem outwardly Normal. Was the title of the first episode this season - “Normal is the Watchword”- a mission statement or a clue?) That’s why it’s important that Cassidy appears to have killed Keith - the one stalwart good in Veronica’s life. He’s leveling the playing field - even he says that without her dad, she “has basically nothing to live for.”

There’s a reason we are presented with Veronica on the verge of shooting Cassidy - it’s a question of whether she will complete the doubling by becoming a killer herself. And in that moment, a part of us wants her to do it.

Which explains the missing third voice on the .wav file V stole from Woody’s email

I don’t think those kids were from the wrong side of town. Marcos Oliverez seemed to be middle-class; we saw his home in the episode where his parents hire Keith. And we know some of those kids that Keith couldn’t reach were backpacking through Europe and at NYU.

I also don’t really understand why Beav killed Marcos and Peter instead of the mayor. Being ashamed and embarrassed doesn’t seem like enough of a reason to me.

Not A Tame Lion, I did get the Underhill reference. Heh.

I suppose looking for rational behavior from Cassidy, given his actions, is probably an exercise in futility.

Conjecture:

  1. At the time, he may not have been able to get to the mayor.
  2. Killing the mayor doesn’t stop the kids from telling about the molestation. If his goal is to keep the secret, killing the mayor doesn’t accomplish the goal.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who went there immediately.

Re: Clarence Wiedman (or are we calling him “The CW” now? ;)), I thought it was pretty well implied that he went to kill Amelia DeLongpre’s boyfriend in Vegas after his mad teamwork with Veronica earlier in the season.

I did really think they had killed Keith, and had a bizarre vision of Veronica and Logan keeping house all summer, frying bacon and coping with their dead/no-good parents. But I was thrilled when Enrico Colantoni walked in the door.

The scene that really did me in emotionally was Weevil getting cuffed at graduation. We knew Lamb was a bastard, but come on, TEN FUCKING MINUTES! Poor Nana Navarro.

Ahh, okay, I didn’t recall what happened before what. (They throw so many plots and subplots at you that I feel the need to keep a journal of what happened to whom in every episode.) A big thanks to you and everyone else in this thread who helped explain his motives.

Man, the Beav was pretty psycho to go to that level of revenge. It would have been interesting for him to get away with the murders and watch him secretly (to the rest of the cast) develop into an Über Evil dude over the next few seasons.

I think that might also have been a flashback to the beginning of the season when Veronica was holding Logan on the couch in much the same pose. Nice full circling, that.

Beaver, what? Well, there goes my theory with Mama Logan rising from the dead at the last minute. Poor Mac!

Tracy: My heart bled for poor Weevil, too - come on, Lamb, ten minutes! I perked right up with Clemmons bonding with Veronica, though. Man, this episode was just an emotional rollercoaster. Phew…Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to write pleading letters to the CW, cause if they cancel it, I’ll have to hide under my couch in protest for at least a year.

But was the Lucky plot ever resolved? If Lucky didn’t plant the bomb (Beaver did), then what was really going on? Did Beaver hire Lucky? Lucky wan’t on the little league team, but did Woody molest him too? If so, why wasn’t he among the ones threatening to go public? And if not, what’s his beef with Woody?

That’s another loose end that (I hope) will be tied up next season. I have a feeling this season’s main mystery is going to spill heavily into season three, just like the Lilly murder did in season 2.

Anyway, I think Lucky was molested, but a few years before Mr. GoodWood mass-molested Beaver’s little-league team, which would explain why Beaver didn’t murder him too (Lucky wouldn’t have known Beaver was among the molested). I’m guessing Beaver was planning on using him to expose Woody, until Lucky went berserk and got himself killed.

You haven’t seen the finale yet but you’re still reading this thread?! You must be one of them spoiler-junkies. :wink:

Also we haven’t discovered how the Mannings are involved, but their freaky child-abusing-daughter-killing-Lucky-bailing-reward-offering weirdness is sure to be a focus of next season.

Too bad I’ll be missing it all. (I’ll be living overseas next year, out of reach of the new CW, even if VM does come back.) Guess I’ll just have to wait for the DVD.

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