Well, we’ve only got 20 posts for two episodes, so I vote one thread for the season unless things pick up.
I generally go for “open spoilers after it airs” for these threads.
OPEN SPOILERS FROM LAST EPISODE
This show is a train wreck I can’t stop watching.
Just caught up with episodes two and three – a friend DVRs it for me. Ack. I agree that the violence is getting pretty awful. Last night I had weird dreams about disembodied bloody heads and stuff (not directly related but I know it was from watching the shows). On the other hand, we always knew Esteban was a gangster – he was just a gangster in handsome/interesting/cultured/intelligent man’s clothing – so his treatment of Nancy is just him showing his true colors and makes the relationship more realistic. So, did Agent Till (have someone) kidnap Sucio to torture him to get him to reveal Esteban’s identity?
On a funny note, you know the bathroom graffiti Andy comes out and repeats when they’re on their way to Ren Mar? “Here I sit, cheeks a-flexin’, just gave birth to a baby Texan”? The same graffiti is on a bathroom wall in Spanish later on, I think during the coyote storyline. I love those little details.
This latest ep wasn’t so bad. There was humorous development with everyone’s subplots, although Andy can die for all I care. He’s a one-trick pony and all he’s good for is screwing every woman he encounters. That got old.
I wonder if they’re going anywhere with Cesar? He and Nancy seemingly hate each other but I could almost see him somehow saving Nancy.
Agreed. My wife and I figured it out. We hate the story but we love the characters.
Thanks about the explanation about the song, I feel stupid for not thinking of it.
I’ve also wondered which way they’ll go next and they’ve always found something, although it’s been a slow slide into horror. About the violence: for some reason, by contrast Tarentino’s violence always makes me laugh or groan, we can feel it’s a game, but the violence in this season’s episodes makes me really uncomfortable. It’s too close to real.
I’m the opposite. I like the total unbelievability of the plot, but am mostly indifferent to the rest of the characters outside laughing at Doug and Andy.
Totally disagree. Andy’s about the only person adding humor to the show on a regular basis (he gets an assist from Doug, I’ll grant you). The rest of the show seems to be painted into a corner comedywise: Nancy’s situation is scary, not funny, and so it’s coming across as… well, scary, not funny. Andy and Doug are clearly the comic relief, and they’re all that stands in the way from the show going from dark comedy to simply dark.
I don’t get Esteban’s concern for his unborn child. He’s rich, middle-aged, and attractive – Nancy can’t be the first woman he’s gotten pregnant. I haven’t caught all the episodes this season though – does he really care for Nancy and doesn’t want her to know, so he hides behind concern for the baby? If not, this plot point is kinda silly.
Yeah, I agree with that completely.
AuntiePam He’s in love with Nancy and he’s not afraid of some good old school latino Catholic hypocrisy.
Does Esteban have other children? I feel like this may have been addressed last season but I can’t remember. Anyway, Nancy is carrying his son. It’s totally in character that he would want to preserve the life of a son. Honestly, I don’t think he’d care as much if it were a girl. How far along is Nancy? How do they even know it’s a boy anyway? They never said she got an amnio, and I think it’s too early to tell the sex of the baby via sonagram.
Several girls.
Yeah, I think Nancy saw a pic of his daughters on his desk once and they talked about it. So this must be his first man-child. Probably always wanted a boy…imagined grooming him in the family business…?
When he first came, I hated Andy. Remember him posing as Silas and trying to have cybersex with Silas’s nice, smart girlfriend? I thought he was disgusting scum at that point. What’s sad is that Nancy was the good wholesome one of the two then. Have they ever switched places. Andy has been there for the boys when Nancy has been absent in every way. Now I love Andy and I’m grateful for the comic relief he provides. I also loved his “nice coyote” business. Creature comforts, kindness. Great idea!
I am sort of over Doug, though. Has he always been such an unmitigated jerk? He’s so…gross.
Anyone still watching?
So, did the show jump the shark (yet again) or what?!
Weeds has been jumping sharks since the Agrestic fire–Not that it’s stopping me from being a fan. I love how poignant it can be. It’s not the show about the surburban Mom/widow selling weed anymore, it’s a show about where that decision took (is taking?) the entire family.
I thought this latest episode has been the funniest all season. Andy blowing his newfound money in 6 months seems about right. I was also looking forward to seeing Ceila at work at the sneaker store. Doug’s fixation with George Hamilton & Shane’s subpolt were also very fun. They crammed a lot of good stuff into this one.
Of course, just when it looked like Nancy had decided on a direction and she wasn’t going to back out of it, Estaban changes everything. What now? Botwins on the run?
I liked Shane’s subplot in which he was acting out and hanging out with Ignacio, until he saw how scary he could be. Ignacio looked disappointed at the end. Was he so sociopathic that he didn’t realize that his behavior would horrify any normal person, or was he deliberately acting out to turn Shane back on the right path?
My wife and I lost the thread after season 3. The show just went a way we weren’t expecting I guess, getting more serious. Should we bother starting up again?
I don’t think so. I think Ignacio thought what he was doing was perfectly normal, and it was Shane on his own who realized the fun Ignacio life isn’t really his kind of fun after all.
Obviously they don’t have time to show us everything, but why is Esteban suddenly spending so much time in his California home? Isn’t he still mayor of someplace down in Mexico, working towards the presidency? And really folks, what was he thinking? Is he genuinely that hypnotized (like everybody I guess) by Nancy? He was really thinking, “I’ll have this illegitimate white kid with this white American slut drug sleaze-bag with a pot-selling son, marry her, let her keep her former husband’s name, and still have a shot at president?”
I don’t understand much Spanish, but what I got from that woman who peed in Esteban’s wheaties was that she was actually talking sense.
My Spanish is limited, and while I understood most of what the woman said, I did not understand Esteban. His speech pattern is more mumbled, at least in that scene, so I got a bit lost at the end.
She basically says something to the effect of, “Okay, the gringa is having your baby. Fine. But marry her? Are you crazy? All of the eyes of Mexico are on YOU.” Then there was something a bit lost to me here–something about how SHE is his everything. I don’t remember exactly what she said, but I think it was “I am your ______, your _____, your ____” --I just don’t remember what was in the blanks! The gist I got is this woman ripped the rug out from under him, and he acquiesced. Even if you didn’t catch the Spanish, the body language said the same.
I’m just about done with this show, and I hate to admit it. I loved the first season or so, but it got so dark and violent–and this last episode, I couldn’t get over how she was all ga-ga about marrying a man who kills people so gruesomely, who was threatening HER violent death, and who violently raped HER when she tried to get him to at least end her angst over whether or not she would be killed for her sins against the Mexican mafia. Stretched believeability a bit too thin, I think, and it’s starting to tear.
Yeah this show is just painful. I am invested in the characters but I hate Jenji Kohan.
I watched seasons 1-4 quickly. Season 1 was fun, but I suspected early on the show might have a moral. I hoped it wasn’t as simple as “drugs are bad.” It kinda is, though. I view the show differently than I did. It’s a tragi-comedy about the gradual downfall of Nancy Botwin. Very basically, Nancy simply hasn’t ever gotten over first husband, never will, every attempt she makes to do without him is a horrible mistake, she’s on on pretty much self-admitted destructive path, and I’ll be surprised if the show ends with her alive.