Did this episode run really overtime? I set my VCR to record until 9:04 and it still cut off right after Locke said “Follow me” to Boone. The time on the machine may be a minute or 2 fast, but that would mean it still went over at least a bit. Argh, this is so frustrating! I set it to go late and I still miss the end! :mad:
My station lost the scene after Boone & Shannon got into bed together.
I saw Boone & Shannon getting on the bed, then later a quick blip of them sitting up after with partial commercials and some island bits interspersed in there.
Did CTV intentionally cut a scene, or was it a screw up? They managed to end the episode 5 minutes before ABC did.
It seemed like I might have missed some important dialog there. Did Shannon shut him down again?
Spirit vision, vision quest, we’re both on the same road, that’s for sure.*
But it wasn’t Locke who controlled it. he just provided the set up. I firmly believe the Island gave him the vision.
*see my earlier post about it’s significance
I’m still trying to link LockeIsland with LockePhilospoher. I’m still rereading An Essay Concerning Human Understanding, but I think “tabula rasa” is the key.
My major bitch with the episodes running long is that we aren’t getting any more show time…it’s all added commercials.
yes. She said they would go back to what it was like before. It looked like a ‘morning after’ scene.
And yes, this ep ran long. Most LOST eps do, for some odd reason.
The ep. appeared to run more than three minutes past nine this time. Good thing I hit the record button, because I’d hate to lop off the end.
Did Locke say something about taking sides, or Boone being on his side or some such thing? I had a bad “Lord of the Flies” moment there, but I’m sure there’s going to be something more to it. I think Achren mentioned this bit as well.
I didn’t quite catch what the deal was with Shannon and the guy and the money…Somebody 'splain, please?
Oh man, “PEE ON MY FOOT!” 
I was cracking up the whole time during that scene.
Claire’s disappearance was no hallucination, though, nor was Ethan’s presence. I hope they reveal something about that whole business soon.
Yep – and before I set it to record, I had looked up the time on the digital cable menus, and it was listed as “8:00 - 9:03”. Weird. But it went a few minutes over, for sure.
viva – Boone had told the guy that this would be the third time (or maybe he said he’s done it three times before, don’t remember) that he’s paid off a guy to dump Shannon and leave her alone. Presumably this is to protect her from the abusive guys she tends to pick.
But after paying this one off, I guess he expected him to be gone already. Turns out that she was just setting him up, and pretending that boyfriend was abusing her, so that he would pay off the guy – she intended to stay with the guy, and they were both getting the money. Boone thinks guy dumps Shannon, when really they both faked the whole setup to get the money from him.
The explanation from the boyfriend being that Shannon’s dad had died, and the stepmom screwed her over by keeping daddy’s money for herself, and not sharing with Shannon.
In reading the thread, I didn’t see any discussion of the dichotomy of this week’s title, Hearts and Minds.
In Boone’s mind, he knew it was Bad Thing™ to be in love with his step sister. In his heart, tho, he was willing to go to extraordinary lengths for her supposed benefit.
In Hurley and Jin’s relationship, their minds couldn’t touch because of the language barrier. But, their hearts did, culminating in the gift of a pre gutted fish.
Sun’s heart is in the island, but her mind still has the worry of her situation with her husband. Or would that be heart both ways?
Locke. He used his mind to free Boone’s heart.
Perhaps Boone and Locke have looked into the heart of the island and lost their minds.
Anyone? Anyone?
Well, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I didn’t mention anything on it because I didn’t know the episode title… until just now.
Agreed - the island and the vision are likely one and the same. From your prior post…did Locke pick Boone to be “next”, or was he simply trying to help Boone out? I see Locke as being more of a guide, providing assistance but letting nature take its course (so to speak), as opposed to someone with a set agenda who is actively attempting to move things in his direction and coerce others onto his side.
It speaks to motivations, really…I likes my Locke without ulterior motives and tricksy scheming! Makes him seem…nicer that way. 
I was a little disappointed in the direction this took. Not in the it-was-all-a-dream thing; I was pretty sure it was a hallucination when Boone started hearing things, and I knew it was when we saw Shannon tied to the tree. How did I know? Dunno, ask Wile E who had the same idea. 
No, I mean in the way the character was developed. I was hoping the writers would pull out a miracle, in that they have spent so much time making her unlikable, they’d come up with some revelation that would make us see her in a new light and really understand her and actually like her a bit. But they couldn’t do that, so they made her pathetic instead. And then they “killed” her at that low point, to make us feel bad for hating her so much. Kind of cheap, I thought.
I went back and looked at this a couple of times. (Yay TiVo.) We don’t see the monster. We hear a swell of animal noises, then a couple of birds flapping away increasing in number, then a moment of silence; then behind the pair two trees are ripped upward. No wings, no nothing, just trees getting yanked up. But like others have said, since it’s a vision, there’s really no point in analyzing it further, since we don’t know what Boone knows or where his hallucination is coming from or how trustworthy what we’re seeing might be.
One of the things I’m really enjoying is how the constantly shifting perspectives make it difficult to get a handle on who the good guys and bad guys are supposed to be. Depending on whose point of view you have at any given moment, different people seem to be protagonist and antagonist. When we’re seeing the world through Kate’s eyes, or to some extent Jack’s and Sawyer’s, we feel like we can sort of identify where she’s coming from. This time, though, as h.sapiens indicates, we were hearing her from Sun’s POV, which strongly suggests to us that Kate is a manipulative, dishonest, deeply screwed up person, strong and smart but not reliable. (Sawyer’s not reliable either, but at least he’s predictable. Kate is slippery. That’s more dangerous, I think.) We get the same general idea about alternative perceptions of character from the contrast between Charlie and Sayid in their opinions on Locke. This part of the show is fascinating to me; I can’t think of another recent program that’s been this bold about keeping the audience off-balance regarding its loyalties.
After interrupting Boone’s confrontation with Sayid (the “stay away from my sister” thing right at the beginning), he told Boone it would be a bad idea to alienate Sayid: “He’s very competent. We don’t want to make an enemy of him, we’re gonna want him on our side.”
But, what if his agenda is that he wants the Island to take over (or free, different sides of same coin maybe) every one of the castaways for their own benefit?
That way, he stays a nice guy even tho he is actively manipulating people and events to fit his own ideals.
Just a thought.
Damn! That in itself fits the title Hearts and Minds. :eek:
Answer this in a spoiler box, who ever knows it: Who’s back story is next?
Well, I don’t know, but based on the previews for next week, my guess would be Mike and Walt. But that’s just a guess.
Looks like it, doesn’t it?
Maybe we could speculate on a double meaning title for them?
A Chip Off the Old Block - Walt has a chip on shoulder because of his block head dad
My Father, My Hero - we see how differently Walt views Michael and Locke
The Demon With the Glass Hand - nah, doesn’t fit.
The flight originated in Australia. Everyone on the flight was in Australia for some reason or other.
My Comcast DVR guide goes out 2 weeks.
Micheel
For anyone who wants to know more than just whose backstory we’ll see next week:
New, “Special”, (2005), Fatherhood test Michael, who is desperate for the affection of his 10-year-old son, Walt, and whose backstory reveal turmoil, tragedy, and a chilling confidence regarding Walt.
Anyone want to know the preview for 2 weeks out???
No spoiler needed. Two weeks from now we get the repeat of Sayid and Rousseau…
Aaarrrgggh! The local station went to blue screen right after Boone cuddled up the bloodied & broken body of Shannon.
After a minute or so of that, they showed a promo for Alias, then a normal set of commercials (like 2-3) minutes, followed by the same promo for Alias, followed by a three second flash of Lost, more blue screen, another brief flash of Lost (seeming unconnected to the first one), then repeat of blue screen/Lost flash about t hree more times, then just a bit of the ‘next time’…
Okay, I figured out that if Shannon is still alive, then Boone was hallucinating, probably from the goop Locke smeared in his wound. What else, if anything, happened in the last five minutes?
The end of the show:
Locke is sitting alone by a fire, near the campground. Boone charges him with the knife.
Boone: “It killed her!”
Boone tackles Locke, they wrestle briefly, and Boone ends up on top of Locke.
Locke (while holding off Boone’s knife hand): “You made it back.”
“That thing killed my sister. It’s your fault, you drug her out there.”
“Your sister?”
“Don’t play dumb with me.”
“Calm down.”
“She died in my arms!”
“Why is there no blood on you?” (Boone looks at himself.)
“What the hell just happened to me out there?”
“I don’t know. You tell me.” (Locke shoves Boone off) “But your sister, Shannon…” Locke looks over to where Shannon is with Sayid, laughing and talking near a waterfall.
“She was dead.”
“Is that what it made you see?”
“What made me see? That stuff you put on my head, you drugged me.”
“I gave you an experience that I believed was vital to your survival on this island.”
“It wasn’t real?”
“It was only as real as you made it.”
“I saw her, I saw her die.”
“How did you feel, when she died?”
“I felt, I felt… relieved.”
“Yes.” (Locke looks very knowingly at Boone) “Time to let go.”
Boone takes a last look at Shannon, the ominous music builds up, Locke shoulders his backpack and says, “Follow me.” Boone has a look like something significant, serious change of mindset has just occurred, then gets up and follows Locke into the darkness.
Anyhoo,
Hurly is big with the Survivor references this episode isn’t he? When he asked Boone about his and Locke’s boar hunting he said, “this isn’t a game, man.” Then of course the “pee on me! I saw it on TV once!”
I think Sun is simply happy, rather than being some sort of Eve. Remember, the gift she treasured most from her husband was when he was poor and could only afford to give her a flower. She never wanted him to be all hard working & rich. So now I think she’s pretty close to being fulfilled. She has Jin. They live a simple life together. No money. No job. Just surviving together. She gardens. He fishes. They spend lots of quality time together.
She could be a threat to the island at some point though. Depends on how you take it. Has the island already won her over to its side just by bringing her there and giving her what she wants (Jin)? Or, is she immune to the island because she has what she wants, and doesn’t need to be won over? She doesn’t have a deep issue that the island can help her resolve, and thus get influence over her.
This is just one theory, not my only one. But what I’m playing with is that the island is perhaps a malevolence. It’s slowly using trickery, people’s weaknesses, unresolved issues to bring people under its influence. I could see Sun, possibly Jin, if the island doesn’t try to separate them, and that other woman, the older woman who’s helping Charlie find “faith.” Those two I see as being a threat to the island, as they already have what they need, and won’t fall under the island’s influence. When that other woman says, “oh, my husband’s not dead.” I wonder about that. She has that faith, and the island then has nothing to give her. She may be immune to the island.
I’ve never seen Locke interact with either Sun or that other woman. Maybe he’s staying away from them? Locke has been totally subsumed by the island. After all, it gave him the ability to walk. These two women may end up being the counter force to the island and Locke.
Man, I just love Terry O’Quinn’s performance in this show.