So I have a problem with this. The Citizenship Act tells us who is a citizen, and Musk is absolutely a Canadian citizen. Petitions should never be the basis to strip an individual of their citizenship and Angus is pissing on his own shoes with this.
Also, fuck Elon Musk. But he’s still Canadian.
Perhaps I’m misreading this exchange. I thought @Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela was supporting your argument, saying in fact the Canadian negotiators’ stance meant they stood up for Canadian culture and that refutes the claim that “Canadians tried to quash our culture.” What have I missed or misconstrued here?
I would add that it is hard to consistently defend both the “free market” and Canadian culture at the same time. Culture is, to a large degree, a commodity; it is one of the US’s largest exports. Markets are not places for equal and fair exchange: bigger producers have huge advantages over smaller producers, and these advantages tend to grow over time. And the nature of capitalist markets is to seek profits and to expand. If we want to maintain an independent Canadian culture, someone has to intervene in the market to make sure Canadian production is not overwhelmed by or siphoned off to US producers. That “someone” is going to be the government. Letting “the market” alone determine what culture is produced, distributed, and consumed will make it very hard for an independent Canadian culture to develop and survive, as it will be swamped by US products that benefit from economies of scale, larger infrastructure, huge advertising budgets, and reduction to the lowest common denominator.
Agreed. Political expression is protected by the Charter, and should not be the basis for stripping citizenship.
Quebec separatists pose a threat to Canadian sovereignty. Are we going to strip all PQ and BQ supporters of their Canadian citizenship?
Agree with this as well.
Canadian treason law is not based on citizenship, as Louis Riel discovered.
used to be opposed to defunding the CBC.
After this horrific disgrace with Ian Hanomansing giving airtime to “let’s be the 51st state!” I am warming up to shutting it down and deporting everyone involved in this.
I thought this was a bad idea. However, it’s much worse than I feared.
AFAIK, Hanomansing paired up with an NPR radio host to do a two-nation version of Cross Country Checkup to solicit both Canadian and American opinions on this issue. I think most reasonable people on both sides, but particularly Canadians, are well aware that this is never going to happen, but the fact that a US president keeps repeating it over and over, idiot though he is, does make it newsworthy.
On a different note, the Ottawa Sun published a letter to the editor with this advice:
Canada is hosting the G7 summit in Kananaskis, Alta., this year. The best thing the Canadian government could do is to tell Donald Trump that our immigration laws do not allow convicted felons to enter our country and that he will need to send another representative from his administration.
This is terrible advice. You don’t provoke a vengeful narcissist already sensitized about his criminal record, and diplomatic credentials probably override the criminal ban anyway.
So why shoukd CBC be soliciting American opinions? Sorry, but why do their opinions matter? Why does Hanomansing say their opinions matter? They don’t have a say in our freedom. If I demanded to be able to come take over your house, does anyone’s opinion matter but your own? Would you be okay with the police chief taking a both-sides approach?
Of course it’s newsworthy. Here is the news: the US President is threatening us. It’s not a “proposal,” as CBC phrased it.
I can’t be the only one in Canada who’s heard of the Overton window and related concepts, right?
And clips from this show will be played TENS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES in American right wing media to justify this. The CBC just added several percentage points to the portion of Americans who want to invade.
If you put aside hyperbolic scenarios about an “invasion”, the adoption of another territory as a new state (or in this case, probably 13 new states) really is a two-way proposition, like a marriage. In this case the vast majority of Canadians are vehemently against it, and I suspect that so are most Americans and their Congress.
Though I admit that there’s something to be said for not giving this nonsense the kind of attention that implies it should be taken seriously. There’s nothing about it on CNN’s home page right now, which is railing against many other aspects of Trump’s evildoing.
I would like to see Edmonton rename Wayne Gretzky Drive back to Capilano Drive. It’s too soon to bestow the final name - Connor McDavid Drive.
A lot of things in Brantford are named after Gretzky - “Regretsky” as I heard him referred to as - and there’s a lot of people saying that should change.
Some want stuff named after WALTER Gretzky, which seems silly.
Correct me if I’m wrong (hardly needs saying here on the SDMB!) but I believe while non-Canadian citizens can be convicted for treasonous acts committed in Canada, Canadian citizens can be convicted for treasonous acts committed outside of Canada. Meaning the Muskovite could be charged without setting foot in Canada.
That is not how millions and millions of Americans see it. And this sanewashes their dreams of conquest.
The term for acts outside Canada is “a Canadian citizen or a person who owes allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada” so it would include legal permanent residents.
I like CBC radio. After the bonus boondoggle, the idea of doubling what they cost taxpayers seems ludicrous. No one wants to defund Radio-Canada. I thought CBC television did a decent job with the Olympics online. I do not want to see the CBC defunded. But I would like it to be more efficient, maybe get back to decent children’s programming instead of the four police procedural currently going. Better shows that cost less money.
I’d have to assume police shows actually make money - people just eat those up - allowing them to afford to make other stuff.
Gretzky’s Trump ties are indeed regrettable, but hey, just because somebody can shoot da puck and score da goal doesn’t make them informed intellectuals or rational political analysts. I saw more wisdom out of hockey stars who refused to be goaded by interviewers into taking a position on the booing of the US anthem in this series.
Good point. A Canadian citizen who plans war against Canada from outside the country can be convicted of high treason.
If they are trying to overthrow the federal or provincial government by force from outside Csnada, they can be guilty of treason.
Does anyone else keep seeing the anti-Mark Carney ad where he looks like an evil vampire (due to a rather unflattering freeze-frame and a sinister red tint)? They play it at least once during every YouTube video I watch, it seems.
That sounds awesome and almost makes me wish I didn’t pay for ad-free youtube. How are the Conservatives attacking him, anyways?
“Doesn’t he remind you of Justin Trudeau? We hate that guy!”
Oh. Well, obvious in hindsight, I guess, because hate for JT has been pretty much their entire platform for rather a long while now, but that does seem a little desperate because no, Mark Carney doesn’t really remind me of Justin Trudeau at all. I mean, was Carney ever even a drama teacher? Hmmmmmm? I was led to believe that being a drama teacher was the core essence of Justin Trudeau.