Dude…he’s not a NEGRO. And even if he was, the worst it would do is make him lust after white women. :rolleyes:
His life won’t go to hell. The problem with smoking pot is that it makes you ok with doing nothing. At some point he might wake up one day and wished he spent his time working on something he really wanted.
Idiots like you kill people. People say the same thing about alcohol. Every single impaired driver that ever killed someone thought they “could handle it” when they got behind the wheel.
I’d hazard a guess that most of those people were stupid in the first place. As a self-styled goody-two-shoes, you’ve probably seen multi-drug use mostly at parties, etc., right? A lot of stupid partiers just sort of throw whatever they can find into their body, consequences be damned. IMO/IME it’s vitally important to know what a drug is going to do before you take it, and double the drugs means it’s twice as important and the potential negative consequences are twice as dire. That doesn’t mean the practice is inherently unsafe, though. It just means you have to know what you’re doing so you can enjoy it instead of hurting yourself, which is like just about everything in life, anyway.
Bullshit (as mentioned earlier in the thread). That “fact” is supported by faulty studies which compared fresh reefer to samples that had been sitting around for years. The average potency of American marijuana today is around 5% THC, and the average in Europe is 6-8% THC. It’s impossible to accurately retroactively test 1960s weed, but anyone who was smoking then and still smokes now will tell you that the stuff around today isn’t any stronger than what they used to have, and if anything it’s not as easy to get really good weed anymore.
Drug tests are easy to beat. I’ve never failed one, nor have I needed to take one for most of the jobs I’ve had.
You take a substantial risk every time you get in a car. Assuming you survive the trip, which is not a given, your buddy may have an empty bottle under a seat from when his buddy got in the car just as he was finishing a drink. Your friend may be an unlicensed gun owner; I recently found out that one of my ex-coworkers is, and it’s only by circumstance that he never got pulled over while I was in his car.
IMO you’re half-right. There’s absolutely no excuse for his weed finding his way into daddy’s car, but where do you expect him to keep it, if not his house? His friends’ houses, so that they’ll smoke it before he can get to it? His own car, so that it’s several times more likely he’ll get busted? Telling him not to keep it in daddy’s house–which is his house, too, as long as he’s living in it–just means he’ll hide it. Just like telling him not to smoke it, BTW.
This is good advice, but it’s pretty damn difficult to accidentally smoke “laced” weed. Most drugs are substantially more expensive than weed, if not more so, and there’s no incentive for dealers to give them away without compensation, or for users to waste them on people who won’t appreciate them.
Driving stoned is safer than driving on a glass of wine, which is legal if you’re old enough to drink. I don’t have the cite on hand but I can find it upon request. The only substantial danger is being too cautious and slow.
How do you suggest he obtain it, then? Bumming off his friends until they realize he’s not a friend, he’s a moocher?
Brilliant! 
I got high before and during class all the time in high school and scored a 1360 out of 1600 on my SATs. MMV and of course does, but peer-reviewed studies have shown that retention is better when you learn it stoned and get tested stoned than if you learn it sober and get tested sober (but worse when you learn it stoned and get tested sober, or vice versa). If anything, it’s academically dangerous to toke up before class if you don’t plan to smoke before that class every time.
Which, by the way, are both popular business methods in the weed world.
I don’t have time to respond to the rest of the thread, I gotta go to work. But I’ve got more rebutting to do and I’ll be more than happy to respond to any cite requests when I get back.
And idiots like you make unfounded comments without bothering to do a little research. A decidedly large number of studies have been done on the subject of driving while under the influence of marijuana, including by the NHTSA.
Once I grew older and gained more responsibility, I realized I need to stop. I’ve got too many people in my life that depend on me NOT getting arrested. My sons being the two most important of them.
Howdy D!
Selective breeding is the process of taking the ‘positive’ aspects of a plant and isolating those traits through repetitive growths. In wheat, the positive aspect would be to increase its resistence to a certain fungal growth, tomatoes to be un-tasty to a certain catapiller. Pot, however, would be selectively bred for other characteristics. Say someone wants to grow a plant in his closet, so he would try to combine different types until he got a strain that was short, bushy and didn’t stink…another might want a type that matures really fast outdoors because they live up north and the growing season is shorter. But if in the process of selecting those traits, if the plant stock they started with didn’t get you high (weak), it would not be used.
What I am saying is that the folk way back when took the strongest pot they could find and propagated it through selective cultivation to exhibit certain traits. They kept the strongest offspring, mated those with other strong strains to produce hybrids that exhibitted certain positive traits. The hybrid offspring, if you recall your high school genetics, would exhibit traits of the mother, the father, and new traits from a combination of the two. So let’s say you have 4 baby plants from 2 strong strains. 1 baby plant has the mother’s height, but isn’t strong - it gets killed. 1 baby has the father’s fast maturation, but isn’t strong - it gets killed. the other two have different traits, but they are as strong or stronger than the parents…those get propagated.
Denying that pot is stronger today is denying that evolution and genetic variation occur. You deny that humans are capable of changing plants through selective breeding. You deny the success of those people decades ago that set out to cultivate killer weed. And that is just rude. We eat corn today because the Inca’s selectively bred a certain plant that was barely edible over hundreds of years so that it became the staple food of the region. We have hundreds of different breeds of dogs because we wanted small viscious ones to kill rats and big viscious ones to kill humans. We are the intelligent designers of the natural world. Modern smokers benefit from the efforts of the smokers of years past. When you say that pot is stronger today, you are complimenting the growers of the past for their successes that led to the strains that are popular now. And that is true whther for pot or orchids or ???
Was there killer weed back in the 60’s? Sure. Was it widespread? Not so sure, it was probably a statistical outlier. Was it easy to cultivate? In New Jersey? Or was it a strain that could only be cultivated in Maui and transported to the mainland? What fertilizers were used? What type of equipment? Well now you really don’t have to worry about any of that. There is a company here that is at every rock concert selling hydroponic systems for strawberry cultivation. Ahem. You can order a kit online and it will be delivered to your door and in a few months you will have damn good strawberry shortcake.
Seeya, dude.
-Tcat
(Straight A Genetics student for 2 years and cultivator of excellent Roma tomatoes)(non-smoker, too)
Preach it, brother.
-Tcat
Hey, if weed is enough to make you forget what year it is, that’s hardly a ringing endorsement. 
As a parent, how important do you think it should be to your son to not have a drug arrest on his record? Or go through the arrest process at all?
Your cite doesn’t mean much considering the hundreds of published surveys that directly contradict it. I can probably find a study from a reputable source that says tobacco doesn’t cause lung cancer - doesn’t mean it’s true.
I’ve witnessed and been involved with marijuana-related accidents - 3 times, in fact, with 3 different drivers, all when I was a teenager.
The first time was on the way home from school. I was in the back seat and the driver, high, was staring at the car in front of him but still somehow managed to not notice it was stopped and plowed right into it.
Second time, a buddy of mine, high, and I were driving down a curvy dirt road near his house. He had been walking, driving, and riding his bike on this road for literally his entire life, but on this occasion he decided to be a maverick and not cave-in to those facist, conformist curves. He went straight and we ended up on our side in a ditch.
Third time, a guy stops by our house in his parents’ brand new Chevy Baretta. When he leaves, high, he decides it would be totally far out to just keep going instead of turning at the T-intersection near our house. The new car goes on a very short adventure into the woods, discharging the airbag and being totalled. We hear the impact from our front porch almost 1/4 mile away.
The bottom line is, marijuana impairs concentration and other functions critical to the operation of rolling death-carriages. You’re deluding yourself, and putting lives in danger, if you think otherwise.
My poor kids. I’ve never been drunk and never taken drugs.
That hypocrite defense is taken from them before they knew they had it.
With that being said, I’d handle it like it was previously handled upthread. You know, the whole doing it in moderation, don’t get caught, don’t do it in public, and don’t tell mom.
Yeah, that way.
One additional thing I’d suggest is to do some research into the consequences he might face. These could range from consequences in school, in sports, in looking for a job, getting arrested, going to court, getting convicted of something, maybe some health consequences, especially in conjunction with existing health conditions or medications he takes. Have him tell you what he thinks the consequences might be, and give him a reality check if necessary. If he’s worried about consequences in terms of “I might get grounded,” make sure he’s aware that there are real-world consequences as well. Not just about drugs, but kids are really bad about considering real world consequences.
And put in my vote for solidly beating it into him not to drive while impaired, or riding with someone who is. Let him consider consequences of that, from reading about teenage driving fatalities, considering what it would be like to lose his license for a while, seeing what something like that would do to his insurance rates, and thinking about what it would be like to kill someone in an accident and have that on his conscience.
I can’t believe I forgot the worst one:
My best friend in elementary school. We moved away and several years later my mom got a call from one of her old friends from the neighborhood. Mike had been riding home from school with a friend when they struck a telephone pole and he was instantly killed. The driver survived with a broken leg and other minor injuries. They were high on pot.
That’s terrible and I’m sorry that it had to happen. That being said I don’t know that your experiences with driving and pot mirror those of the rest of the country. In a look on Google i’m not finding hundreds more studies saying that marijuana significantly decreases your driving ability than ones saying it doesn’t. If nothing else it hasn’t been conclusively proven.
I generally agree with the advice in the thread, but I’m a little disturbed by the “And don’t let Mom know” bit. If I was Mom (and I am, but not to this particular kid) I’d be PISSED when (not if, but when) I found out that not only had he been hiding this from me, but that my husband was aiding, abetting and actually ordering him to do so. Like marriage-counseling-call-a-lawyer pissed. It’s not about the weed (I’m in favor of legalization as well as civil disobedience of unjust laws, although I also favor age restrictions), it’s about keeping important health and legal issues from a person who is legally (not to mention financially) responsible for her minor child’s health and behavior.
I think you need to have a talk with your wife, even if you never let your son know that you have. If the two of you decide to play Good Cop, Bad Cop, then go for it, but it should be something you decide together.
I meant to add that it’s good advice because of the myriad other things that can happen when you do illegal things with people you don’t trust, even given that it’s pretty rare to accidentally smoke something laced. I don’t have a cite for that, BTW, but I smoked a lot of weed with a lot of people in my day and I can only recall hearing two or three stories about accidentally smoking something laced; two with powder cocaine, one with PCP. Although smoking crack is the most efficacious way to take cocaine, smoking powder cocaine does almost nothing, and IMO is pretty much a waste of coke unless you have massive dealer-level quantities on hand. (The only person I’ve ever known to did this on a regular basis was a coke and weed dealer who was up to his ears in powder 24/7, even after selling entire personal stashes and snorting enough to sustain his own formidable addiction.) PCP is one hell of a scary experience if you don’t know you’re taking it, I’m sure, but nobody really smokes PCP anymore and, because it’s so rare, those who do wouldn’t dare waste it on someone who not only wouldn’t appreciate it but might resent them for it. The one story I heard about this wasn’t a trust issue, it was a case where the guy’s dealer accidentally gave him a bag from the wrong stash, and corrected the error once he realized what happened. Freaky, sure; terrifying, probably; but not too damaging in the grand scheme of things.
I’ve been arrested for weed possession in a red state known for being tough on crime, and had the charges dropped and the arrest wiped off my record. It’s 2007, as someone tried to say earlier, and it’s not tough to avoid serious legal repercussions.
Ok so how about not being a total loser for the time it takes to get from point A to point B? That way all your bases are covered.
50 pounds=about 100 dollars, right?
I’d be shocked if you got a satisfactory high out of something you bought for that price. Maybe weeds just better all around over where you live, but where I live decent weed is like 250 an ounce minimum.
We went through this with the older son (he is now 23).
We had both used pot when younger, I never liked it that much but the husband used to–he grew out of it much the same way SHAKES mentions.
Anyway, it was a tricky conversation at first, because as others have said, we don’t equate marijuana with, say, crack.
However, pot is against the law.
We reminded him of the fact that it is illegal. Also, he was very much still growing. Furthermore, there is a time and a place for everything. We told him to be careful.
The kid, who was 16-18 through this time of usage, had a part-time job.
The kid’s boss, who was a really nice guy, mentioned that he thought he was coming to work high. Then the kid got a DUI. Yes, it was one of those horrible 1AM phone calls.
He was under 18 and was ordered, among other things, to attend substance abuse counseling.
Those years were a scary, bad time in our lives.
But when he went off to college, three things happened.
1)Once away from us, he was pretty much accountable only to himself, and he flourished, ended up on the Dean’s List.
2)He watched one of his roommates get up and smoke pot every single day.
He could see the dependence and the haziness. He didn’t like it.
3) He quit using pot (even went to the trouble of informing us of this) and while I am sure there has been plenty of partying, he never again got trouble for drinking or anything else.
He was lucky, though. Not everyone from his high school graduating class made it through unscathed, or without hurting someone else.
You’re not looking real hard. In fact, maybe you had a few tokes first. 
Pot can *not * help you drive more safely. You might try to claim it’s not that bad, it’s not as bad as booze, it’s not as bad as certain anti histamines, etc. You might claim you get uber-focused when driving stoned and drive on a higher plane of conciousness. Heck you might even claim that pot is neutral for reaction times.
smoking pot flat out affects your reaction times and concentration, and that can not make you a safe driver*.
*from personal experience as a dumb ass teenager in a different climate towards driving whilst under some kind of influence, I know that driving stoned, drunk or both makes you a worse driver. I certainly don’t imbibe and drive any more and haven’t for a few decades.