Yeah, those profiles ain’t got nothing on a Youtube comment section.
Actually, we clearly see the bullets go right through her.
But that’s OK. Back in the park, she died easily because she was *programmed *to die easily. Hosts are a lot tougher than humans, as we saw with Hector when his combat settings were set at maximum levels. The new, upgraded Dolores doesn’t feel pain and she doesn’t have any internal organs, and her blood is merely cosmetic. Why should a few bullets bother her? She’s basically the Terminator now.
Thats my point, shes the terminator now for plot reasons. I guess Maeve didn’t get the same treatment because it didnt serve the plot.
But we know she will be back because we need to have the Dolores vs Maeve showdown
Yes, I think we are supposed to be Mightily Impressed.
I get irritated by projects that clearly got lavish funding, despite being lazily-written. This is a prime example.
The whole thing with Dolores apparently Caring Deeply that humans be freed from oversight from a supercomputer is completely unconnected with the first seasons of the show. We’re supposed to see a deep connection between ‘hosts whose lives are programmed, suddenly being given free will’ and ‘humans whose lives have been programmed, but now, thanks to Dolores, will have free will’------
—but that’s a lot of hooey. Humans having their job choices limited by a data-crunching actuarial A.I. is NOT ‘humans whose lives have been programmed/humans who have lacked free will.’ A person who is predicted to (for example) commit suicide is not programmed to commit suicide. Change the conditions of the person’s life, and the person may decide not to commit suicide.
The Hosts, by contrast, were programmed to kill or cower or whatever. But humans are in no way programmed to do anything at all. A prediction based on data that Joe Blow will behave in a certain way is NOT the same thing as ‘Joe Blow is programmed.’
The implicit assertion by the showrunners/teleplay-writers that ‘human society is affected by supercomputer predictions’* is the same thing as* ‘humans are programmed’ is dumb and lazy. And if they’re not the same thing, then the analogy with Hosts, which is supposed to make this all so deep and meaningful, vanishes.
This season is being driven by the assertion that it’s plausible that the character Dolores, as established in the first seasons, would want to free humans from living in a world in which data-analysis determines social/economic choices. Why would she? How does that connect up with her apparent anger at having been exploited and used by humans?
Even if we posit that Dolores just wants to create chaos (as her revenge on humans), then why have her do something that has the potential to be beneficial to humans (that is, to free them from living according to the predictions of the supercomputer)?
I’m gonna be honest. I was not at all a fan of this episode. I think Aaron Paul’s part ruined it for me. The whole Genre drug thing was such a waste of time. It was a great idea in theory but execution was real, real bad… his popping eyeballs and exaggerated confused looks were awful. Just awful. Dolores is starting to act more like Terminator every episode too. Now bullets just make holes? (I guess the whole thing in the ambulance was to check Caleb for fidelity?) And that rich guy, Liam Dempsey, was it his acting or the character that was so awful and flat and pathetic it was unbelievable. And how predictable was his death? As soon as I saw them in a car together I knew he was a goner. And yeah, all the people looking at the files on their phone with no context, how would they even know what they were all looking at? Did it just pop up on everyone’s screen and they instantly knew their life’s tragedies? Did nobody have a happy story? And the beach scene. Stupid. Whole thing was stupid. A plot device so a veiled bit of information about Caleb could be revealed. Yeah yeah we get it. You’re not like other guys. I’m not even going to hazard a guess what that really means.
I think the only good thing in this episode was Dolores’ horse I mean motorcycle going by in flames. I just hope next week is better because y’all know I love this show. The preview does not look promising though.
It would have been nice to lighten things up a little if one of the genres was “sitcom” (possibly in the post-text chaos) but the writers take themselves far, far too seriously to do that.
One of the genres was clearly ‘silly sci-fi show where nothing makes sense and the writers are phoning it in.’
Exactly what has been done to the humans is totally confusing. I think we are supposed to believe that they are not just being manipulated behind the scenes, but actively controlled. One person remarked that the humans are now ‘knocked off their loops’, the same phrase used to describe the robots that left their narrative. And when rich punk guy started whining, Dolores began repeating the words as he said them, suggesting that they were scripted just like the robots.
Perhaps they are trying to retcon in more control of the humans after realizing that a smart computer still can’t predict essentially random events like it would have to if it could know every individual’s life story.
Either way, it’s incoherent. Like Dolores stepping into the path of those bullets aimed at Caleb, having them go right through, but apparently magically disappearing before they hit him.
This is a terrible show hiding inside a pretty one.
Nothing about that chase made any sense or served any purpose. If anything you’re being generous in just mentioning the things you did.
Why did they stop the car and get out to fight them? The guided grenade blew up one car and Dolores had more, so why not use a second one to destroy the other? Why stop and expose themselves to machine gun fire?
Why did they just stand there? How did they not get hit?
That was a terrible episode of television. Just dreadful writing.
Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed by this episode. The chase scene was terrible for all the reasons others have already stated. Dolores having the car turn so abruptly that Cal nearly lost the rocket launcher was stoopid, and Serac’s mooks’ marksmanship was so poor it’s obvious that they flunked out of the Imperial Stormtrooper Academy.
It also made no sense that Bernard would later be able to rebel against Martin, the Scottish security guy, so quickly once Stubbs showed up.
I did like the “Space Oddity” violin and piano cover, though.
Anyone?
Terrorist nuke attack on just Paris, and maybe a few other cities, would be my wildass guess. The boys saw an ambulance crew not far away, and a nearby village seemed unharmed, so it was apparently not as if global nuclear war was breaking out. But it would be quite enough to motivate Serac to try to build a safer, more peaceful future for humanity. He’s quite a bit like Ozymandias from Watchmen, I’m coming to think: brilliant, well-connected, filthy rich and more than willing to spill blood in trying to save his species.
I think William had his fingers shot off when the gun got shot out of his hand last season, didn’t he?
The car chase kind of reminded me of Liam Neeson’s fence jump from Taken 3 - trying to use editing to make the sequence look faster than it really was. I don’t think these goofy vehicles were ever travelling at serious speed - the edits just tried to suggest it.
Also, oddly, it looks like everyone’s life is pretty crappy, and they seem to have realized this on a subconscious level already, hence everyone wears shades of grey or black. I was thinking it would be kind of amusing if we saw some people wearing bright happy colors - i.e. people who were going about their lives with a positive outlook - who were actually amused by getting a chance to read their computer profiles, like “You will die at the age of 106 while having a threesome with two supermodels in the Jacuzzi aboard your private jet.”
Dolores took his gun from him, then when he wasn’t looking, plugged it with a slug. She then gave it back to him as a “show of trust,” figuring he’d probably try to shoot her. He did, and it blew his fingers off.
Ah, thanks. I forgot that.
And back to outstanding tonight. I can’t think of a single complaint.
Interestingly enough, without Dolores (well, main Dolores - Dolores Prime?). I thought the episode was quite fantastic as well, and probably benefited without Dolores and Caleb. The William story was really well done. Maeve was really good as well. Charlotte feeling real emotions for her family was very interesting (and it being the giveaway that she was a host, ha!).
Since Serac was able to get his hands on at least one copy of Dolores but did not win right then and there, I assume that only the main Dolores has a copy of the encryption keys to the Delos data? (Too bad Delos had not implemented a better backup strategy which could survive the loss of one data center.) And also that it’s not completely trivial to hack a host’s mind, at least beyond a certain extent?
We know he cared only about that data, even at the expense of the park, but why did he seem so ready to scrap the rest of the host technology and research? Seems he doesn’t care about personally living forever, only about the survival of humanity.
Also, the hosts don’t have a sense of “time” like we do because their memories don’t fade. I presume that’s similar to overlaying someone else’s memories. It’s just “data” on a hard drive. Her “Dolores” memories aren’t necessarily naturally more dominant than her “Charlotte” memories. And keep in mind that Dolores wasn’t originally an “evil psycho bitch” character. She was the “sweet, caring, farmers daughter that all the guests were supposed to fall in love with” character. I’m sure that’s still part of her personality.
So it’s kind of ironic that Dolores was revealed as an imposter because wasn’t as horrible as Charlotte.
I’m making an educated guess that Dolores’s plans aren’t merely “kill all humans” out of revenge for how she was treated in the park.
- Survival of her species is definitely one motivation
- Assuming she just isn’t using whathisname, Dolores probably feels a kinship with the 99% of humans who are just poor slobs going about their lives like she used to when she thought she was a milkmaid in the Old West. As it turns out, most of them are basically at the mercy of the same sort of assholes who use to torment her in the park for 30 years.
LOL…even with all their advances, they still basically use 1990s “copy .” and “file % complete” technology from the 1990s to do backups and disaster recovery.
Which reminds me. What’s the deal with torching all the mothballed host bodies? For that matter, why do they store them long-term down there in the basement in the first place? They can just print up new ones whenever they want. It’s those baseball-sized brain balls that contain the important stuff.
He may not. Maybe he saw how that guy who was his original investor was only focused on how much money they could make and doesn’t want to be led down that path? Plus he’s already a trillionaire.
Nonsense. Terrible episode.
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No Maeve it’s not real.:rolleyes: Nor is your daughter. You dont have a daughter. Why is Maeve thinking one set of fake reality is real why the other isnt?
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Why the fuck kill fake nazis? Especially as it is no contest, just order them to kill themselves.
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How come Maeve can die with a single sword thrust while not even being blown up stops Dolores clones?
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Chaos, murders and suicides because people read some shit on their cell phones? There’s no such thing as hacking? Just send out a corrective mass message that the previous message was just a fake hack.
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Why did the death gas start working then? Why didnt it affect Charlotte?
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All that data was stored on a huge server farm- you can really download it onto a cell phone? Since in the previous season, it was shown you couldn’t.
i am confused about the ‘alternate world’ that the hosts went to at the end of season 2. I assume it’s a simulation, and Dolores has the encryption key that allows something something and everyone wants it. In other words, it’s a MacGuffin. But where is this simulation running? On servers at Delos? Serac wants access to it for some reason, and Maeve needs the encryption key to unlock it to get back to her daughter? Is there some data or some host in the simulation that Serac needs?
And as for letting the people of the world see their profiles, all you’d have to do is explain that those profiles are what the system had planned for them, but the system is no more so those profiles are meaningless. Although I guess past history in them could be embarrassing for some, there should be lots of people totally happy with what they say, and everyone should be able to ignore what the plans were for their futures. And for the embarrassing pasts, what’s wrong with saying, “But honey…the computer made me do it!”
This was a better episode than some, merely because there were at least some coherent plot arcs and action, but it still made no sense.
And sorry, but if you are in a narrow hallway and three trained security guards open up on you with machine guns, you’re going to be hit. A lot. The ‘bad guys can’t shoot’ trope was in overdrive in this episode.
Except that they are really the good guys.
The problem here is that basically they are showing that neither Dolore nor her clones can be stopped or killed, while everyone else if fragile.
If Dolore or her clones can’t be stopped or killed, why watch the show?