What is it that girls like anyway?

Don’t panic. Time is on your side. It is a marathon, not a sprint. Not sure I ever had a proper “date” throughout HS, and a limited number in undergrad. But I now have been married for 15+ years to a beautiful brilliant woman, and we have 3 incredible kids.

It really sucks having so many good girl “friends”, but no “girlfriend”, doesn’t it? Especially when they come to you to bitch and moan about how badly their asshole boyfriend treats them. You’re not alone. While I did not have a longterm girlfriend till I was in my 20s, I always had tons of really close girl “friends”. I felt like they always felt really comfortable around me, like I was “nonthreatening.” Now there’s an emasculating image for a homonally raging teenager!

Put the emphasis on being honest, rather than trying to assume an image to impress women. At least if a particular woman doesn’t want to go out with you, she knows who she is turning down. Be fun to be with. Be interested in what interests her. Don’t cop an attitude. And if you have a good female friend, you can give it a shot and suggest that when she gets through with the jerk she is currently dating, she should go out with you. What is there to lose? If she IS your friend, she won’t stop being a friend just because you ask. Now if she says no and you keep mooning around like a lovesick puppy … But there is no harm in asking.

Friends do have the possibility of becoming something more. My wife went out with several of my friends before we ever went out. Also, female friends can have friends and relatives of their own to set you up with.

Main thing is, don’t stress out over not having a “girlfriend” such that you miss out on lots of the fun you should be having.

And what Veb says is true. The harder you look for it, the less likely you are to find it.

There are as many answers as there are women, but in general – we like guys who are comfortable with themselves. That means ones who are living their lives, not searching like mad for a partner to “complete” them.

No offense, but it sounds like you might be trying too hard.

Originally posted by sassyKYredhead**
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Maybe you have made a hobby out of finding the perfect girl! **
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Erm…sorry to break it to you, but I have a vagina. I’m female. I’m not looking for the perfect girl. I’m looking for a guy. I was speaking on behalf of the female gender and what they find attractive in guys.

Why do people always assume I’m male?

If all else fails, next summer get yourself a Speedo and a potato, and go to the beach. Just remember, the potato goes in front!

Why did you “assume” that I was talking to you?!?!?!?!?
I was addressing the author of the OP, not Broken Doll.

see what happens when one "ass-u-me(s) too much!

Sassy

This question gets asked A LOT. I bet chicks like guys who are intelligent & search first. Right girls?

I don’t believe it. Sure, it sounds nice (“I want a guy who is warm and loving”), but reality paints a different picture.

Sorry to sound cynical, but it has been my experience that, for the most part, most women like assholes. (Note Broken Doll’s observation above.)

Case-in-point: My sister. She has had more boyfriends than I can count. She will not date “nice guys” (they’re too “boring” for her). It is apparent by her actions that she prefers the “rough-n-tough” assholes. She constantly bemoans how she “can’t find a good guy,” yet the truth is that she doesn’t want a good guy. (Again, “good” guys are “boring.”)

Three of my female cousins are exactly the same way; they only date/marry assholes.

When I was a freshman in college, it became immediately apparent who “got” the girls: the assholes. Some of my roommates treated women like complete sh*t, yet the women flocked around them. Me and my engineering friends were of the “nice” variety (considerate, polite, etc.) and women never looked our way.

Anyway, that’s my (admittedly pessimistic and cynical) opinion based on 33 years of observations. I’m certainly not making a generalization; I have met women who genuinely wanted a “nice” guy, but they are the minority.

I hate making such gross generalizations about half the human race, but if you want chicks, learn to dance. Preferably, ballroom, swing or some form of partnered dance. Being a good dance lead will make you seem confident, decisive and sensitive.

I belong to a number of dance groups and all of them (except Argentine Tango, for some reason) are short on men. Consequently, any man who can lead even slightly will get to talk to several women in a evening. As a bonus, you even get to put your arm around her for two minutes.

Another bonus is you will get more invitations to parties, and being invited means that you are being “vouched for” by the hostess. Don’t underestimate the value of other women’s opinions. I know a guy who’s been having a hard time getting a date, simply because he is new to our social group and he has no “reputation”.

If you want good thoughts from all the women, ask an older woman to dance every third or fourth dance. It’s like holding your friend’s baby, it makes you look like a great guy with minimal cost. And women really do notice if you only ask the skinny 19yr olds to dance.

If you hate dance, any hobby you can talk about in public or do in groups is a great thing.

Crafter_Man,

I don’t think that women who ‘like’ jerks are the majority, but they certainly make up more than half the ‘noise’ about what women want/don’t want. As a female and former jerk-o-phile, I have observed much the same thing in BOTH genders… you aren’t wrong, you just didn’t do any stats on it - observation alone produces skewed results. There have probably been plenty of women around you who like nice guys, but they either weren’t looking for a boyfriend, were ‘invisible’ in some way, or they were attached. Many were probably in their rooms, reading books, wondering why the nice guys all went out with bitches who treated them like dirt.

As for women who like jerks and DON’T like nice guys (“too boring”), I can only speak for myself. I had hopelessly entangled ‘excited’ and ‘afraid’ in my emotional lexicon. So when I was with a guy who scared me a bit or treated me in some way that was counter to what was expected (not ‘well’), I got a rush from it. Kind of a good-girl rebellion - I couldn’t be the bad one, but I could sure as heck DATE the bad one! Same thing that makes roller-coasters fun, that fear=excitement thing. It was only when I was with a guy who slowly transformed from ‘bad’ to ‘boring’ that I actually was around ‘boring’ long enough to get used to it. Turned out I really LIKED not being on-edge all the time! I enjoyed being able to explore more than the anxiety of ‘what if today is the day that he _________?’ (fill in the blank - threatens to leave, threatens to kill himself, goes psychotic, assaults me, etc.). Took me a while to really separate fear and thrill, but I did it.

I also had to let go of the rush of being brave, daring, powerful - it doesn’t take a power-house to survive dating nice guys, so being with a jerk can be an ego-trip. Insecurity issue there, too. Half the kick is being able to bitch (a love of flaunting crises is another bad addiction - my mom used to call that the ‘gee ain’t it awful’ syndrome).

After I got over the fear thing, I started dating guys I just LIKED. MUCH nicer. More calm. Less flashy, required I have a stronger ego myself. Also made me a much hotter property - great guys don’t want to always have to hold up a fragile ego, it is EXHAUSTING. Same goes for great girls - I’ve been there, done that, don’t EVER want to do that again.

As for what women/girls want in general, I have to second (etc.) the major votes. Guys who aren’t HUNTING (we can smell desperation a mile off, as can guys), who aren’t afraid to say what they think or feel, guys who have their own lives, guys who are confident about themselves.

The things that have lit my fire the most (in my ego-stable existance) -

A) a guy who has an interest he’s so passionate about that he forgets to try to impress you with it, he just wants to SHARE it because it is so damn cool to him. With my husband, epeepunk, it was fencing (epee being his weapon of choice), and music. He wasn’t trying to prove anything to me, just wanted to share it with me so I could see what was so damn great about it. Funny, it became very easy to be interested in learning.

B) emotional courage/honesty. Epeepunk stole my heart when he calmly and honestly told me that it wasn’t at all funny when I passed out (after an injury on a group trip) - even though I’d made it clear I thought it was hilarious, myself. His tone of voice indicated that it was actually frightening, in the sense that he was scared FOR me. He didn’t think about saying it, he didn’t have to make a statement that was more or less ‘real’ than how he genuinely felt. He didn’t seem to care if I was taken aback by that statement, and wasn’t filtering his choice of words to protect himself later. I can still remember my heart going THUMP!, and that was more than 10 years ago.

C) Competence. Physical competence is a big turn-on. Guys who trust themselves to do a good job on something MOVE well. Physical competence is great, but other kinds of self-confidence are up there, too - knowing you are good at something and can do it well without bragging adds a certain something, and we can smell it the same way we can smell desperation. Doesn’t matter if your skill is cooking, programming, or kung-fu, if you are really hot at it, and you know it enough that you don’t have to show it, it will make you shine anyway. If you are a klutz in one area, see if you can expand your skills in another. Social competance is another fairly hot item, but that alone won’t do it.

Good luck! And as for dancing, I met most of my boyfriends, my ex-fiance, and my husband DANCING (Scottish Country Dance). Just another form of physical competance, but DAMN, men in kilts. YUM! :slight_smile:

Helluva post, hedra!

::blush:: thanks, Dinsdale! Just trying to give some straight dope, even if it is a bit mortifying at times to use myself as the bad example…

Correction - I forgot, I met my ex-fiance in my house (he was my sister’s boyfriend when I met him first), and he only started dancing after he and I hooked up (at my sister’s STRONG suggestion - she thought we’d be a good match). He’s such a great dancer that I completely didn’t store him under the non-dancer-before file! Epeepunk is a great dancer, too, though the way he handles a hammer and power tools … :wink:

I’m no longer a girl but I can tell you this…

The problem with “jerk” lovers is that many of us…I have been one before…have a tiny or large streak of rebellion in us. Many of us are responsible, steady, and dependable. The “jerk” often offsets our desire to be able to throw off our responsiblities and go wild ourselves. Then again many “jerks” can be quite charming, witty, and amazingingly good in the sack. So once we get a little addicted to all the chaos, the rollercoaster and the Big O, sometimes it takes a good ass whipping, public humiliation, infidelity or wiped out bank account for us to come back to reality.

Needs2know

Speaking from personal experience:
Similar interests are often just as attractive as actual physical looks. I always go straight for the guy playing a guitar and eventually try to strike up a conversation. I also like to hangout near the halfpipes and watch the skateboarders showing off. I’ve never had a boyfriend though, I guess many guys are too busy trying to pick up the ditzy cheerleader type to notice girls with actual personalitys.

(Okay, maybe I am bit too bitter to make a coherent post but please forgive me.)

Another frustrating thing (ceasar and rockstar), a lot of people turn out to be better at being adults than at being kids/teenagers/young adults. And the reverse. Keep on fighting the good fight.

a lot of you had some good points, but there is still some stuff going on here. #1, the jerk thing is obviously out of the question. I’m a christian, and besides that, its nowhere NEAR coded in my DNA. I wouldnt know the first step of it. #2, Girls are not jerks either. there are a couple I know (and RedDragon60, if your reading this, you know EXACTLY who I’m talking about. yaknow! rhymes with "compar-a
") so I’m not swearing them off. #3, I WILL NOT TURN GAY. I have no desire to, and also, the chrisitan thing would prevent it if it did (thats not an issue for debate either.)#4, strangly enough for you to understand, the christian thing prevents me from dancing. that also isnt for a debate, its just me.keep it commin guys, your helping me. only thing I’m worried about, is who I really am! whenever I act like myself, I feel aqward, and almost repulsive. I dont know what that means. thanks

I was just kidding with the gay statement Caesar, just a joke…

It does work however. I get hit on by girls quite frequently, and I suspect that has something to do with them being comfortable around me. They know I won’t hit on them, or abuse a situation. They know they can be themselves around me and see me as a friend, because I don’t prey on them. They can also talk to me, and I am in the situation to actually understand some of the stuff they talk about (although I don’t really, girls are just too weird sometimes ;)).

You couldn’t turn gay even if you wanted to though, but it might not hurt to just copy some of the characteristics (as mentioned above).

I realise that I made a gross generalisation of gay people, and I probably get Esprix on my neck for this, but it might give you some things to think about. Anyhow, let us know when you find that special girl.

And I see you in GD on why Christianity would prevent you from being gay, but that is a different matter entirely :wink:

Caesar0211, try match.com, one-and-only.com, local newspaper personals, etc, that way you can find women who are looking.

Also, our churches have ‘singles’ meetings, why don’t you try one of those?

Dragons says:

Man who look for flower too hard trample it under his boot.

I dont go to Church singles thing cause (yes, numarals again!) #1, I’m 15, and #2,there is only one other girl that goes to my church, and she is SERIOUSLY a game-o-holic. I mean she does nothing but sports, and it gets old reeeeeal quick. I could visit other of the same type of church (cause I wont want to go to anyother church. remeber, I’m not wanting to marry a non-church of Christ memeber, but dating in High School is not a problem) so, carry on! its helping!

If you get lucky, make sure you don’t fuck in front of any open windows. Someone might see you and think you’re dancing.