It goes to show you how both ridiculous and deep white supremacy goes. When a person of color speaks, he or she is assumed to be a liar and a schemer. I’ve been accused of being a white man, an old man, a young man, an undergraduate. Literally everything except the identity I ascribed myself. Now, I’m being accused of crowdsharing my account with other people and being an agent of a hostile government attempting to foment dissent in the United States? Really? Is that where we’re going? What’s next? Let me let it be clear. If you (or anyone else) believe I am an agent of the Russian Federation or any other government, you should immediately inform the FBI. It is also your patriotic duty to immediately inform the moderators of your belief as well as contacting the owner of this message board and inform him or her of your suspicion that their message board could be (maybe is now?) being infiltrated by a hostile government.
You really are fucking thick. I think what you should do is stop posting. Read all the posts on this thread, take some deep breaths, and think about them in their proper context. Your thinking is really fuzzy. Just fuzzy, fuzzy thinking on your part.
“All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players”
Huey argues a certain viewpoint, more or less a legitimate viewpoint. Does he seem extreme at times? Certainly, but as I pointed out, he would be ignored otherwise.
Try to understand the real message. Try to understand that someone who has been fucked over repeatedly might engage in certain levels of sarcasm and insult, and that there are differing cultural standards for when and how that’s appropriate.
Maybe, just maybe, you don’t understand. And neither do I, but I’m trying at least.
Ignoring the real-world hardships of other people by dismissing them as trolls is simply pathetic.
Why would someone go to that much trouble, over the course of months and years, unless there is something that they’re genuinely aggrieved about?
Here’s another thing for Huey to stop and think about. A lot of our posters here are black (and non-white). Yet I don’t know of any who has drawn the kind of reaction he has – even posters who are more than willing to engage in controversial discussions of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Nor is anyone all “nicey-nice” about it, either.
So perhaps it might not be about black vs white, after all. Maybe there’s something else there.
Derleth isn’t a character in the same way Huey Freeman is because I, the unseen author, haven’t put enough personal details into what I post here. For example, it is central to the Huey Freeman character that the character is Black, in the American racial sense of the term. That’s something added to the bare text of the posts which are the only things we can actually see. I don’t rely on anything similar when I make my posts; my ethos, to the extent I rely on ethos in my rhetoric, is my post history itself.
Good attention and bad attention, Discordian, and I’ll note that monstro is Black and she isn’t the subject of threads similar to this one.
Try to understand that I’m not going to blur the lines between [del]lonelygirl15[/del] The Huey Freeman Show and reality.
Because some people find it amusing.
Oh, and others have gone to much more trouble in the past. What the poster or posters operating Huey Freeman have done so far isn’t even remotely strenuous.
I strongly doubt Asahi or Huey are Russian, their syntax and word-choice are too American. They are native or very long-time English speakers at least. If they are part of a Kremlin strategy to sow discord, it isn’t working. They managed to unite all but 4 or 5 of the board in rejecting Huey’s particular strain of assholery. I know I’ve found myself agreeing multiple times in these threads with people I don’t ever otherwise agree with. If Huey (and Asahi, for that matter) are in fact employed so, I hope this doesn’t screw with their continued employment. I think, however, they are just people with trollish tendencies. Short of them going full blown troll, though, that is no reason to ban them. The above quoted statement by Bone perfectly, yes perfectly, argues why.
Although I think that’s probably because the SDMB skews older, so most people on here are traditional rights-based liberals. More generally there are many in the modern Left who would not agree, and who would align with the Huey Freeman Show. You can see the roots of the conflict between traditional liberalism and identity politics described at the Wiki page on Critical Race Theory:
So far so good. But then:
Some quotes from the critiques section:
If you take Huey at face value (and not a troll), his schtick might just be an updated, Internet version of what Tom Wolfe called “mau-mauing the flak catchers”.
In that lesser-known companion piece to “Radical Chic”, Wolfe describes a group of young men (various ethnic groups including black and Samoan) who go down to a government poverty agency office to confront the Man about the impending loss of funding for a jobs program. It quickly degenerates into a verbal assault on the loser of a bureaucrat* who meets with them but has no power whatsoever to grant their demands. Despite the futility of this tactic, the group gets satisfaction of a sort.
“When black people first started using the confrontation tactic, they made a secret discovery. There was an extra dividend to this tactic. There was a creamy dessert. It wasn’t just that you registered your protest and showed the white man that you meant business and weakened his resolve to keep up the walls of oppression. It wasn’t just that you got poverty money and influence. There was something sweet that happened right there on the spot. You made the white man quake. You brought fear into his face…
So for the black man mau-mauing was a beautiful trip. It not only stood to bring you certain practical gains like money and power. It also energized your batteries. It recharged your masculinity. You no longer had to play it cool and go in for pseudo-ignorant malingering and put your head into that Ofay Pig Latin catacomb code style of protest. Mau-mauing brought you respect in its cash forms: namely, fear and envy.”
The problem is that Dope posters (who have no use for racist bullshit whatever its source) have been rejecting their assigned role of Oppressors and tossing the flak right back at ol’ Huey, which if he’s for real, must be highly frustrating for him. 
*worst of all, this bureaucrat dresses badly (the greatest of all sins in the Tom Wolfe ethos), wearing a button-down shirt, cheap slacks and Hush Puppies. :eek::smack:
That’s fascinating. However, in my mind a hostile, unproductive, and belligerent beggar is still a beggar.
Yes, as I said:
Promoting discord and division is something some people are paid to do, and other people do for free, because it makes them feel powerful. It’s a rather sad sort of ‘power,’ of course. But I suppose it’s better than nothing.
The responses are fairly typical, and adhere to the evergreen principle insults are a hell of a lot easier to write than coherent arguments:
Disappointing. Neither response actually references any of the points made in the post to which they reply. Of course that would have entailed some actual work—like reading the post, for starters.
The responses seem canned—pre-constructed screeds that, perhaps, those writing on these accounts pull out whenever someone says something they perceive as being criticism.
Anyway, for me the bottom line with these posters is that their message is nihilism.
Actual radicals or progressives can easily come up with long lists of problems with the status quo—and they may be, to varying degrees, pessimistic about change happening. But they don’t say change is impossible.
Both these accounts consistently do say that change is impossible: HF that white people are all racists who are focused on efforts to oppress people of color and determined that people of color can never succeed; A that democracy is doomed because everyone but A is too stupid to see that democracy is doomed, etc.
(Both messages, as previously noted, are heavily pushed by Putin’s Kremlin; that these accounts push the messages too may be related or unrelated to that fact. Authoritarians always push messages intended to foment division, discord, and contempt for democracy; these writers may or may not be interested in the fortunes of Mr. P, but by coincidence or not, their message coincides with his.)
These writers have every right to express nihilist views. But it’s a fact that arguing with nihilists is rarely productive; you know in advance that they are going to reject each and every point anyone might make.
Meh.
This is really interesting—thanks.
But how does what you describe differ from trolling? Mau-mauing seems to consist of taking action that you know won’t accomplish anything except making its target feel frustration/fear/confusion, etc., so that you can feel powerful (or ‘masculine’). Isn’t that what trolling is?
I’ll throw out an alternate possibility on the type of person Huey could be.
Some years back there was a guy, who I won’t name, who infiltrated the feminist/social justice sphere online. He was a valued ally for content he created. He became incredibly divisive after awhile, being very toxic and nasty in messages to people on the other side. He went low enough to do things like poke fun at people who were dying and justified it by pointing out hypocrisy in anti-feminists. He also was willing to foment ideas of settling things offline, i.e. doxing, contacting the employers of foes.
Many had their ideas on who might this anonymous individual might be, and someone even thought it was a committee of angry (female) feminists. He ended up being outed after something went down offline when an ally of his was retaliated against in a business setting (which could have happened sooner if he’d been a more high profile figure). And since then, he has explained himself. His online activity as well as that of many components of the chaos he engulfed himself in have died down.
He was a university student who had studied critical theory and linguistics. By all accounts and because of his age, he didn’t really appear to be a successful person. I’m almost certain he was sympathetic with newer waves of the feminist side in a lot of ways and also conflicted in that he saw problems in it, how people communicate and the assumptions they make.
A number of his actions could be seen as immoral. He’s never displayed remorse for any of it. It was like a hobby or experiment for him. Maybe a person might come to believe in destroying something so that in its ashes something with a better foundation could be created; this guy was watching the world burn.
There’s quite a bit more to that story. …Now, Huey would not be your typical Kremlin employee and I don’t think the effort makes sense unless his flowery writings are prototypical honing of craft for something that could reach a broader audience. I’m really falling in love with the notion asahi is a foreign mercenary, however.
Eh, I think that’s a stretch. I think Huey’s just a jagoff, like most trolls.
Now asahi on the hand, is a freaking lunatic with TDS.
TDS?
I put asahi’s ramblings down to drinking binges.
I was going to guess Tiny Dick Syndrome but I guess it’s Trump Derangement Syndrome according to the interwebs.
Trump Derangment Syndrome. My dad has it too. I don’t like the guy, but I don’t foam at the mouth over every little thing he does. Most of the accusations against people are bullshit, but some of them are legit.
It happens with all presidents – think of people who thought Obama was a secret Muslim born in Kenya, who was going to confiscate everyone’s guns, institute Sharia Law. Or how Bush was going to declare martial law, put everyone in FEMA camps, and cancel the elections, etc.
Hell, even JFK was under the control of the Vatican. 
As Huey has said, you are in a different universe. You have no idea. You will be educated…one day. And when that day comes, I will demand capitulation and obedience.
Dude, you sound like a dictator. A certain orange complected one.
Peak neckbeard reached
Yeah, get in line behind my cat.