What would you say to this spoiled brat?

My brother is 48. He lives in my mother’s house and has never had a job beyond a paper route. Unlike the OP’s brother, he’s not at all demanding. My brother is happy to zap a TV dinner in the microwave and go out to estate sales on Saturday mornings. Apart from that, you almost wouldn’t know he’s around. He might have Asperger’s, if they’d known what that was when he was a kid. Maybe it’s borderline Borderline Personality Disorder. He just seems to be genuinely perplexed, or uncomfortable, with basic human interactions. I shop and occasionally cook for the both of us. He goes shopping and squirrels away the junk food in his room.

Our mother passed away a month ago. He’ll be inheriting the house and enough money to survive on for a while. I’m not sure how he’ll do on his own. He’ll be fine as long as nothing goes wrong, but when it does, I can’t really imagine him asking for help from anyone.

Robot Arm, he may have some form of anxiety that makes it difficult to be around other folks.

So how do you help someone like that, other than just leaving him alone. (And weighed against the fact that I spent much of my childhood as his punching bag.)

It’s also possible that he’s the laziest person who ever lived.

Robot Arm, is there enough money left from the estate that would include regular counseling services? Are you in control of the money? Could you force him to go?

I agree it sounds like he has a PD, but BPD isn’t the one that comes to my mind. Especially since you don’t think he’d reach out if he was in need of help.

When I go to sleep at night I pray “Please let my kids grow up to be independent adults.”

  1. Don’t know yet, but probably.
  2. Only temporarily. I’m executor, but there’s no trust or anything.
  3. I very much doubt it.

I honestly don’t know what I should do, or even could do, for him. If his greatest ambition in life is a microwave dinner and to not miss Jeopardy!, is it wrong to leave him to it?

If he’s happy (or content) and safe, and the inheritance will allow him to be that way for a long time, I don’t see why not.
On the other hand, he may have untapped resources and abilities and could blossom if pushed a little beyond his comfort zone. It sounds like nobody has ever put effort into this for him.
But if he’s resistant, I don’t see the point in forcing anything. Encouragement, perhaps? Baby steps?

If he won’t stop his mooching and mom won’t stop her enabling, then really the best option is that when he next instructs her to run his errands you just add some of your own requirements to her list.

May as well mooch a pack of fries for yourself.

Well there is this.
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Thanks Zebra- that made me laugh. I haven’t recalled Willy Wonka for years. I will use that line on FB :slight_smile:

You’ve all heard this one:

Q. How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?
A. One, but the light bulb really has to want to change.

The OP’s mom doesn’t really want to change, so there’s nothing to be done for her. And until such time as she decides she’s ready to say NO, any clever comebacks will be cute but meaningless. The OP’s brother won’t change because there will be no ‘NO’ behind the snappy comeback. And if she’d rather wait hand and foot on her son than see him head out the door, then that’s what she wants, and she’s already got it.

The only thought I have is, does she SEE that this is the choice she’s made? Has anyone said to her, “I hear the words you say, but what you’re DOING says you’d rather be your son’s servant than see him go”? Sometimes we stumble through life unconscious of the decisions we’ve implicitly made, and only when our eyes are opened to what choices we’re making do we actually do something about them.

Oompa Loompa - Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame, not a lion of shame. LOL! Celtling’s been in to Willy Wonka this week. . . .

I am not a psychologist or mental health professional of any sort. But here’s my two cents:

I think it’s worth having two seperate conversations. One with your Mom and one with your Brother. The goal of these chats is to make both understand that your Brother has been abused into a state of disability by the Mother’s submission to him.

Talking to your Brother, you should also stress that the whining, bugging and pestering are also abuse. They are abusing each other, and they need to at least be told that it is wrong.

It’s not just that he’s lazy and entitled. He honestly believes that something is wrong in the world if he feels the slightest discomfort. Cold fries are a fact of life that most of us accept and move on from. Your Brother does not have even this basic skill. He has no self-comforting ability whatever, and could probably be thrown into a complete panic by the realization that the fry problem would not be fixed immediately.

There is a lot of relief for the healthy person in looking at a situation like this and being able to say “Well, they can’t say I never told them.” Say it once, very strongly but without drama. Matter-of-fact, succinct, pulling no punches, “Here is what I see happening to my Brother.” Have an appointment set with a good counselor and hand over the name, time and phone number.

Once, and then you’ve done your part, and must accept their decision to live this way or not.

The reason this may work is that they are all very comfortable with your Mother in the victim role. Saying Mom is being victimized doesn’t even register with them anymore. But likening her abuse to breaking his legs instead of letting him learn to walk might have the slightest chance of slipping through the cracks of their denial.

Tell your Mom that she needs to undo the damage to her son slowly but with great determination. She should start by finding him a volunteer opprtunity and demanding that he go there every weekday to help out. It would be good if the job involved physical labor. Maybe a hospital? Just make sure it doesn’t involve children. He needs to be surrounded by adults, so that when he talks about his life he will see the horror in their eyes. A big part of his problem is that he is isolated with people who accept this situation.

Freeing your Mom is not the goal here. I’m sorry, but if you just kick him out he’ll have another enabler within the week, and he’ll end up a gigolo. The only person who deserves to pay the price for his laziness and entitlement is the woman who created it. She needs to step up to the plate and (preferably with the support of a really good cognitive/behavioral counselor) commit to undoing the damage.

Just wanted to say: “Cold Fries Are a Fact of Life” sounds like an attention-grabbing book title.

How about this one: “Microwave’s over there.”

It’s not about the allegedly cold fries, folks, if it wasn’t that it would be something else. He’s found a way to get her to to react whenever he pushes her buttons, and like a lab rat he’ll keep doing it until the rewards stop coming.

It might be worthwhile to print this thread out for your mom as a wake up call.

Could be social anxiety or could be schizoid personality personality disorder: Schizoid personality disorder - Wikipedia

You might want to see if he is receptive to the idea of going to a counselor if you put it in terms of talking to someone about how to adjust to life without mom. He might be more willing to hear that than if you put it in a way that makes it sound like you’re thinking there is something wrong with him. After all, the main issue here is making sure that he IS able to function without her.