I think minty green needs to get laid to release some of that aggression.
Just another example of someone who thinks his/her view is the right view. :rolleyes:
Oh goodness, it must have been a whole week or two since a complete and utter jerk appeared to bash the estimable Mr. Esprix. How did we ever survive without that for so long? :rolleyes:
Yes, it’s not “gay-only” by specific definition, but I would argue it is by implication - it is a term generally employed either to insult a gay man by showing disgust at his perceived sexual preferences or to insult someone by implying they are no better than a man sucking another man’s dick (which, of course, is just a really bad thing). Do women suck cocks? I’m sure of it. Is it perceived to be quite as ‘bad’ an act as a man doing it? I don’t think so. If you really want me to go into a lengthy blah about our heterocentric society’s perceptions of/prejudices towards homosexual acts as opposed to heterosexual ones, I will; but to save you all the boredom, let me put it this way - few people in our society would want to consider the thought of their sister giving head. Fewer people would want to think of their brother doing it; it generally turns more stomachs, for whatever reasons. Do I have a cite for this? No, but I don’t have a cite about bears shitting in woods, either. It wouldn’t be much of an insult if it just refered to a sexual act practiced by millions of respectable married ladies the world over - the insult implied comes from a societal disgust of homosexuality, whether or not the person employing it intends this or not. I don’t think Stinkpalm was being intentionally offensive towards homosexuals by using the term, but the term itself offends me for the reasons I’ve listed previously.
Is ‘bastard’ a clear analogy? Yes and no. Refering to someone of eligitimate parentage as a bastard is fairly archaic, as eligitimacy does not have the same stigma as it did before. Not many people in Western society are asked to leave home, denied rights/housing/a fair wage, likely to suffer verbal or physical abuse as an adult, lose friends and family, or consider suicide, because they are a ‘bastard’. Past junior school, most of society couldn’t give the slightest shit whether or not your parents are married. But a large chunk of society minds a great deal that my sexuality is something other than the norm, hence its fondness for insults stemming from a distaste with it. I doubt many people have had to run from large groups of people out for blood because they are a bastard in its eligitimate sense - but gay men the world over have run for their lives while a mob cries out ‘cocksucker’ behind them.
Point taken.
But Ill bet people have run for their lives while a mob cries out “you son of a bitch, asshole, motherfucker,piece of shit, bastard” does that mean that they are off limits as well?
It seemed to me that he was saying, (DISCLAIMER: The following is not an actual quote from Stinkpalm, it is my interpretation of his post set in quotes.) “I don’t agree that it is reasonable for you to be offended by this, but I am sorry that I offended anyone with my remarks. I won’t use that word anymore.” He used more aggressive language, but I took that as the defensiveness mentioned earlier. And he wasn’t calling the offendee crazy, he was calling the extreme crazy.
I selflessly volunteer to perform this service for humanity.
Stinkpalm, you didn’t answer my previous question - have you ever called a woman a cocksucker?
Another question - who, in your opinion, sucks cock?
Esprix
That is irrelevant because the person running isn’t being chased because he is an anus made of fecal matter that has sex with his unwed mother who is a dog.
I’ll ignore the rest of your blather, but for this, at least, I’m sure a lot of us are appreciative. Thank you.
Esprix
Quit that , reprise! You’re gonna get this moved to MPSIMS! 
Actually I have. Just as I have also been known to call a man a fucking whiny bitch. If I do a search of your posts Ill bet I will not find any infractions of this sort on your part will I? Maybe Ill do that when the board frees up tonight while I am at work.
As for your second question I am not sure what you are getting at so I wont respond. As was already pointed out to you numerous times, the word cocksucker is not to be taken literally as meaning “one who perfroms fellatio” so why are you trying to make me go there? Weak.
I’ve said it and I’ve heard others say it. I don’t have a cite, anymore than Esprix has a cite for “cocksucker=gay man,” but I suspect that the stigma of “cocksucker” comes from a time (1891) when that was considered a horrible, unnatural act for anyone to do.
I think that both minty and Esprix are correct on the one side, and many posters, including Stinkpalm (horrible name, by the way. Does you no good when trying to be taken seriously.) are correct on the other.
Everyone should remember that language is constantly evolving, and it may evolve in your favor and it may not.
As a bit of history, the 1891 cite is from Farmer & Henley a slang dictionary published in London, by English guys. But the quotes were taken from both American and British English. In that cite, the term cocksucker was defined as “A felatrix.”
By 1916, the term was used in reference to both males and females. Remember, this is slang usage. It was vulgar.
When John Dos Passos wrote, in 1918,
does that meant he was homophobic? Were the people who uttered the oaths? I doubt it.
Sandburg used it in 1920, in combo with “Son of a Bitch.” They were epithets Hemingway in 1928. E.E. Cummings in 1923(“that cocksucking leisure class”).
When my kids, in the last few years, say something is gay, the hair on the back of my neck goes up, I cringe, I lecture them. That’s the best I can do. The language is evolving, with or without us old ones. Do we wish it would evolve in a more acceptable(to us) way, of course we do. But it goes the way it wishes. You can rant and rave but the language will evolve the way it wishes.
The good news is, that Stinkpalm and my kids, and their friends seem to have a better handle on it than we do.
While we will never clear society of bigotry, I personally have hopes for future generations. It is getting better. Only time will prove us right.
“Cocksucker” as it is currently used in everyday language is (IMO) a pretty lame and juvenile general purpose insult, sort of like “bastards” less imaginative brother, however, language is a living, evolving thing. As the use of the term “cocksucker” winds its ivy like stems into common use as a general purpose pejorative, non-gay centric insult, it normally does maintain some degree(s) of real world separation from being a specific anti-gay insult in use and intent.
Trying to hold onto and reclaim words and prune language of extant uses and meanings you did not intend is ultimately futile in the end. Look at the French attempts to do this and keep their language pure. It’s folly.
There are people on this board (gay and non-gay) who are vastly more skilled at the mechanics of language than I am. Those holding onto “cocksucker” as a implied anti-gay insult need to get their heads out of the engine compartment and look around as to how the car is actually being used instead of arguing about belt linkages in older models.
BTW Stinkpalm, Samclem is right about your chosen name. It really does have an off putting, adolescent, “I made a stinky in the pool Grandma!”, flavor to it that makes it hard to regard you seriously. If that’s the effect you are going for, however, more power to you.
Has no one seen Mallrats?
Anyone want a chocolate covered pretzel?
Sheesh.
You want people to grok the connection between your chosen name and a modestly popular film that a majority of people (even on this board) may not have seen? Your expectations are almost Esprixesque with respect to how sensitive you are expecting others to be to the root meanings of your chosen board name. I know that viewing Mallrats was a very personal experience for you and the name Stinkpalm may have deep multiple levels of meaning, but to most people in common language use they will not be referencing this connection and these linkages, so the name “Stinkpalm” stands alone as representing that you have been playing with yourself or others and have not bothered to clean up afterwards.
Never said you don’t have a point, palm - just saying I disagree with it (vehemently). When I hear “cocksucker,” I hear “faggot” (which actually relates to your OP). As I said before, YMMV.
Esprix
Fair enough. I can live with that. As I said before I will not be calling people “cocksuckers” on this board anymore. I will have to switch to my back-up of “dogfuckers” or if they are REALLY bad people “catfuckers”.
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*Originally posted by RickJay *
If I call someone an “Asshole,” I am not literally saying “You are the orifice in a person’s posterior that leads to the digestive system.”
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Is this right - that the asshole leads to the digestive system?
I thought it leads from the digestive system; if I’m wrong, then I’m going to have to adopt some uncomfortable eating habits.