Why yes, yes he did. As opposed to a woman who picks a 100% unsuitable man (for marriage/parenting/etc.) based on his looks and body because that’s “pure”.
I tend to think homosexual relationships are a spectrum of some sort of equal partnership to emulating heterosexual behaviors. I find a lot of lesbians to be pretty hostile and therefore not particularly fun to interact with but they are probably the more honorable of the groups. Lesbians are usually very loyal and honest. Homosexual men often have the sugardaddy old guy young guy thing going on and while some young guys are really into that making it fine a lot are just trying to get the financial so I think ya it leans toward lesbians pretty strongly. Plenty of good gay male relationships of course.
I did not come here to call women whores, of course once someone provoked the analogy and I used it to call out the obvious weakness of their argument other posters latched onto the word as I figured they would, and continued to compel me to comment on it. I don’t think most women are whores especially since even most that use success as a component for granting viability to a relationship don’t use it wholly or are equally successful to the wealthy man they pursue.
It’s pretty easy to dismiss someone with the word “troll”. Just seems to mean “Person talking about controversial topic, person who responds often, person I disagree with.”
So basically you subscribe to the concept of feminism where as long as you say women “should be equal” you can go on to spout a bunch of sexist garbage?
You forgot personality, intelligence, unique qualities. You know things you’re with someone for because you love them? This seems hard to swallow: “I love you so much honey, but if you lose your job and we go into debt and it looks like we’ll have to move to an apartment and I have to sell my jewelry well, I will stop loving you.”
I think the OP illustrates part of the reason why many feminists don’t like it when men label themselves as feminists.
The only thing I’ve said that people want to very much call sexism is that women in western culture value status and financial success highly when they chose mates and that I think that’s disgusting.
In my opinion the moment women aren’t doing this anymore is the moment a society acceptable to a feminist exists.
I guess me wanting a woman to love me for me is terribly sexist.
People that call themselves feminists don’t like it when anyone they disagree with about gender issues calls themselves a feminist. I am annoyed at what I see as self-defeating behavior of women that prevents them from realizing equality with men in society
I believe we should have equality of the sexes, that makes me a feminist. (I mean I’d love to call it Gender Equitism since it would be a better phrase for the concept but we have what we have)
I’d find it easier to take your claimed feminism seriously if you didn’t make quite so many negative generalizations about women.
Aw, he only cares about us. He calls women whores out of love and deep, deep respect.
Most people don’t deserve much respect, women are no special case. Women that enter into relationships out of financial interest where they would prefer a relationship with someone else if not for the money are not to be respected and so long as they get to steer the boat any self respecting feminist would agree with me.
Why would feminists care why someone gets married, so long as everyone is doing it freely? Wanting equality doesn’t mean demanding everyone meet my personal litmus test for wise decision making. Wanting equality doesn’t mean demanding everyone be smart or kind or generous or anything. It means wanting everyone to be equal.
Equality doesn’t mean goodness. Santa’s good, but he’s still the boss o’ them elves.
It’s not my battle, but I’ll say that I don’t think you quite “get” feminism if that’s what you think.
Its a good point. there are plenty of Machiavellian feminists out there to be sure. Most feminists I’ve talked to get pretty annoyed at women who do this since it’s a symptom of inequality for women. Women have less opportunity, less money, marrying for position becomes an attractive option, ect. It’s like feminists being annoyed at omen who intentionally act like ditzes to attract men, it might be smart under some circumstances but it’s really not helping the cause, well it hurts it actually. I guess marry a rich guy and use his money to help feminism is something you could swing by them.
I remember when my mom married my stepdad to save us kids from the ghetto we were living in. It was a sad day when she had to commit hara-kiri for bringing dishonor upon our family name.
Just think of all the horrible Macchiavellian schemers who factor in a potential partner’s ability to pay for potential kids’ piano lessons and orthodontics. O women, will you never cease your vile grasping?
As mister nyx says, this isn’t my battle, but frankly women don’t need you tell them what is or isn’t acceptable for them. Your disgust is your problem.
There’s absolutely no right or wrong reason to be attracted to someone. Claiming that “status” is dishonorable but looks are “pure” shows nothing but your own bias. And hell I’m not a woman but from my experience women are as into dudes’ looks as men are into ladies’. (from a heterocentric viewpoint, obvs.)
…but what’s that about you not being bitter?
Untoward_Parable wants equal pay for equal work not for equality’s sake, but because then women will be less likely to be whores. He doesn’t like the traditional 50’s woman because he wants them to have their own paychecks, so they’re less likely to want his. He’s not saying all women are whores, just most of them, in general. He’s not bitter, just disappointed that there are so many whores out there. He’s not a misogynist because he truly loves women, just not the whorish ones. He is a real feminist, saving women from their whorish natures, so they can be more honorable like men.
Some great feminist quotes
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a door mat or a prostitute. ~Rebecca West
I wish someone would have told me that, just because I’m a girl, I don’t have to get married. ~Marlo Thomas
Women are the only oppressed group in our society that lives in intimate association with their opressors. ~Evelyn Cunningham
I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naïve or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman. ~Anaïs Nin
There is a special place in hell for women who do not help other women. ~Madeleine K. Albright
I ask no favors for my sex… All I ask of our brethren is that they will take their feet from off our necks. ~Sarah Moore Grimké
Most women are one man away from welfare. ~Gloria Steinem
I asked a Burmese why women, after centuries of following their men, now walk ahead. He said there were many unexploded land mines since the war. ~Robert Mueller
Every time we liberate a woman, we liberate a man. ~Margaret Mead
Women’s chains have been forged by men, not by anatomy. ~Estelle R. Ramey
I think, therefore I’m single. ~Lizz Winstead
I can’t be a rose in any man’s lapel. ~Margaret Trudeau
No man is as anti-feminist as a really feminine woman. ~Frank O’Connor
Easy is an adjective used to describe a woman who has the sexual morals of a man. ~Nancy Linn-Desmond
Isn’t that the problem? That women have been swindled for centuries into substituting adornment for love, fashion (as it were) for passion? ~Erica Jong
Young wives are the leading asset of corporate power. They want the suburbs, a house, a settled life, and respectability. They want society to see that they have exchanged themselves for something of value. ~Ralph Nader
Any intelligent woman who reads the marriage contract, and then goes into it, deserves all the consequences. ~Isadora Duncan
It’s hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. ~Sally Kempton, Esquire, 1970
Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution. ~Bertrand Russell, Marriage and Morals
Then bitch at the system, not the symptom. Bitching at women for doing something you consider a symptom of inequality is like bitching at women for getting paid less than men. That doesn’t make any sense. (Not that I think it’s really a major symptom of inequality for women.)
Some people value financial stability more than others do. There’s nothing wrong with considering it to be of value, especially given the role finances often play in marital stability. It’s hard to make a marriage work, and even harder if you’re struggling to put food on the table. The more external stresses you have, the more it is likely to impact the relationship, and money is one of the biggest subjects of marital arguments and discord. Choosing a partner based on money alone would be stupid (as would choosing them based on any one characteristic you can name) but not the stupidest. That would probably have to be choosing someone based on what brand of socks they wear or how many White Castles they can eat in a single sitting. Mmm, sexy!
Quit using the world honorable. It’s just weird.