Why Arn't Girls Interested In Me?

Hey Payne: DUDE! If you’re a “40(ish)” guy and are automatically excluding grandmothers from your pool of possible female companions, you are making a huge mistake, IMHO.
There are a large number of grandmas out there in their late thirties to early forties that are very attractive. Many of these are the same gals that were considered the cream of the crop not-so-many years ago. Now they’re even better! Their children are grown, or nearly so, many of life’s most sad and confusing times are behind them, and they’ve got just as many, or more, good years left in them than you’ve got.
The only reason to exclued them might be if you want to have children of your own and start a family. Most grandmas will have a “been there, done that” opinion of that idea.
Anyway, there are many attractive, intelligent, experienced, :wink: relatively young women out there that happen to be grandmothers.
Maybe you should try it, you will probably like it. OTOH, if you really think you’re likely to become soul-mates with an 18 year-old, go for that.

To the OP: I agree with some of the other posters: Be sure you’re in good physical condition, clean, and have some good clothes. Then be bold! To quote I-forget-who, “Faint heart never won fair lady”.

Good luck.

Agreeing with some of the other posters, try not to act desperate- though I have my own explanations why.

If you come off as being desperate to be in a relationship, the only girls you are going to attract are those that want to take advantage of you. If they know you’d like nothing more than being in a relationship with them, they will exploit that as far as they can. Also, if you are so desperate to be in a relationship, chances are you are going to overlook some characters flaws that you shouldn’t. I know from personal experience of being desperate; all the relationships I was in were manipulative on the girls part, and the girls I was in relationships with were generally very immature. Its good for yourself to have some standards.

Brainfreeze, right now I’m in a similar boat you are- I’m a 22 year old College student whos been single for a long time. I used to try to get into relationships, but even if I played all my cards right and got the girl to really like me, she was only interested in having me around as a friend, or to have around to argue with when all her friends are pissed at her. Now, I take a different approach- I’m tired of trying to impress girls. So I just be myself. And the rest of my life has been that much better. So my advice to you, is to be yourself. Somebody out there has to find you irresistable- its a big world, and there are a lot of girls out there. You’ve got odds on your side- its just a matter of time and patience.

I remember, at age 18, thinking that girls would like me if they would just get to know me. But, the girls I found attractive wouldn’t take the time. It wasn’t until much later that it dawned on me that the same was true in the reverse. There were lots of girls that I would like if I took the time to get to know them.

However, in much the same way peacocks use their feathers and bucks use antlers, males of our species want to display their dominance over each other. Since we can’t walk around with our penises hanging out, we use women for this. Therefore, it is only natural to want the best looking girlfriend.

However, just because it’s natural doesn’t mean it isn’t stupid.

If you allow yourself to evolve beyond your animal instincts, and decide what qualities in a woman are really important, you will find someone who embodies those qualities.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you, since i went through this, too. It will not encourage you to learn that I was in the same boat through high school, college, and grad school. (One problem with physics is that there are so few women in it.) It should be encouraging that I eventually did date quite a bit, and am now married.

On the other hand, I can’t say exactly what the problem was – I engaged in lots of extracurricular activities in groups with both males and females, wasn’t appallingly boorish, ugly, or disgusting, and talked to and interacted with women. I suspect an insufficient subject pool, in my case. Just keep trying, and look among people with common interests and outlook, and try to be outgoing.

Show that you’re interested in how she thinks. Ask her questions about herself and her opinions, and be a good listener. I guarantee that makes a big difference (I’m female).

Also try lowering things down a bit on what type of woman you want cuz not even I can get Cindy Crawford.

Refering to them as ‘young women’ might score more points than calling them ‘girls’…

Odd, but this is pretty frequent subject on the board. Maybe try some doper meetings & ask the women for fashion tips?

Projecting confidence really can’t be emphasized enough. It’s not just a matter of how you talk, it has to be backed up by actions. Confident guys don’t wait for unmistakable signals that a woman definitely likes them and will absolutely say yes if asked out. Confident guys just talk to women they are interested in, and ask them out once they’ve had a chance to chat a bit. (This can be a single conversation, if it goes well.) Confident guys often ask out women and get turned down. Confident guys don’t care. They smile, shrug and calmly wait for the next opportunity, because confident guys know they will make another opportunity happen again soon.

Once you project this attitude, you’ll do much better. You’ve got to be cool, but you’ve also got to make things happen. It’s not enough to just project self-confidence if you don’t actually take risks and ask people out.

The best way to project this attitude is to actually believe it. Dressing better and working out helps with this a lot, as does constantly reminding yourself that asking a woman out is a no-lose situation: you are a badass motherfucker for having done a brave, scary thing, and even if she says no, she can’t help but be flattered and pleased that someone wants to date her enough to ask.

The reason so many women date jerks is not because women prefer jerks. It’s because jerks ask, nice guys don’t.

I think you’re reading quite a bit into the words “some fun”.

To the OP: Listen to stuyguy. And also those who have said not to seem desperate. Basically, you have to play make believe and mislead yourself and them into thinking you’re confident.

As a teenager and a young woman…hell, even to this day, I like guys who aren’t afraid of me. I hate making a man nervous— I want him to feel attracted, not scared. I never went out of my way to make things easy on a man, except to stay in his line of sight. Always he had to make the first move. As Giraffe points out, a lot of self-described nice guys seemed to want to ask but were so tentative, maybe-sometime-we-could-I-dunno-go-get-coffee-or-something-only-if-you-wanna-I’m-not-bugging-you-am-I? I went out with a lot of different kinds of guys, but they all had that confident air in common.

The first thing to say is that EVERYBODY goes through this and it’s OKAY.

The second thing is "Practice. "

Not alone, mind. There’s nothing more likely to turn you into a weirdo than practising conversations in the mirror. What I mean is, think about how you act around your male friends or the people you’re most comfortable with, and then just be like that with girls: not thinking about relationships even, so that you learn to be yourself around them. That’s why it’s easier to attract people when you’re not looking for a partner: because you’re not nervous, which makes you seem confident. So maybe even accept that it’ll happen when it happens and put the whole thing on the back burner till you manage to be in mixed company and keep the conversation afloat.

Then one day you realise you’re chatting away happily to a pretty girl, and she’s laughing at your jokes… and you’re not even trying, because you weren’t even seeing her as a pretty girl… you’re flying, kid! You’re flying! Don’t think about it! No! Don’t think… about… it…

:: winces ::

Well, never mind. There are still millions of girls in the world who you haven’t spewed all over.

NO, I don’t!!! :wink: But I am sitting here on a college campus surrounded by fine-looking young women who refer to me as “sir” when they talk to me at all.

Bingo. I don’t feel as old as I am, and I really would like to have a family, not just a girl friend. But the women my age have children at least teen age, if not older, and I don’t think I could handle that.

Meanwhile. back to the original post…

confidence, eye contact, kino, killer instinct.

No offense but a lot of people on this board don’t have a clue.

Go here bud.

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BrainFreeze, remember that girls will not always approach the guy.
No matter how pretty, or how intimidating she seems, approach her. Many guys miss out on the girl of their dreams because they thought they didn’t have a shot.
Don’t use tacky lines.
DO NOT approach her when she is with her pack of friends.
Most importanltly, go up to her when you are feeling confident. It’s always a crap shoot. But confidence is very important.
Never be cocky. There will always be that girl that shoots guys down for entertainment and there will always be that girl that just isn’t interested in meeting anyone.
Take this from a very girly girl. Good luck. You are still young and I am sure you will meet many girls.

                                                     JD

Make note: thanks to some very strange quirk of fate there are many extremely good looking girls out there that don’t think they are. For every girl you meet that acts like she’s too good for you there’s another that can’t believe someone’s actually hitting on them.

I have a problem with that. Why does men have to make the first move? I have no idea why some women insist on this, quite silly IMO.

At any rate, my idea of confidence is of a different shade. It’s not “I don’t mind if women turn me down” but a “can do” mentality.

I think that is far more important than the former: it puts you in control of a situation, and always puts you in a positive light.

Try making more friends of both sexes, not just trying to find a girlfriend. You’ll be out and about more, so more young lovelies will have the chance to see you; you’ll be happier (which is a big turn-on; sad, lonely folks usually aren’t terribly appealing); and your friends will have other friends they can introduce you to. I’ve met all of my SOs through other friends. And even if you don’t find a girlfriend, you’ll hopefully have met some new and interesting people.

I have to reiterate that women can be scared off by guys who get too serious too quickly. Have some fun, enjoy her company, but don’t tell her you love her on the third date.

There’s a lot of good advice on this board. If you follow it, you will probably be 40 by the time you get some boody.
Here’s my take:
Simply approaching a pack of girls when they circle up the wagons is the ultimate in ballsy moves. I recommend going after the 2nd ugliest girl in the group. The ugliest girl will probably know shes ugly and simply dis you out of spite as a defense mechanism (and its obvious why you are hitting on her). The hottest girl can probably do a lot better than you. What you are going for is “ooo…he’s kind of cute…for you”. Peer pressure can be used for good as well as evil.

The important thing is to “be cool”…not “act cool”. There is a subtle difference. Girls can tell if you are trying to be something you are not. As Yoda says “do…or do not…there is no try”. Sean Connery says it better in The Rock - “Losers always whine about doing their best…winners go home and fuck the prom queen”. (by the way, most chicks don’t dig a lot of movie, Southpark and Simpson quotes like guys do).

Check out “sex comedy” movies for research. You want movies that star Amanda Peet, not Julia Roberts. Also avoid Freddy Prinze Junior films.

I recommend:
Swingers
Two Ninas
Whipped
American Pie
The Tao of Steve

Odds are, you’re more like Mike Favreu or John Livingston than Stiffler or Vince Vaugn. Not everyone can pull off acting like an ass in public AND getting laid.
DO NOT BOND WITH A GIRL AS IF SHE IS ‘ONE OF THE GUYS’! I cannot stress this enough. You are garanteed not to hook up with the girl who you watch Jackass! with. (And its kinda gay). Be aloof! Even if she has Superbowl tickets, act as if she invited you to the theater! Once you are “budies”, next thing you know she’ll be asking you for relationship advice…about her new significant sausage-man.

The first time does not need to be “special” for you (a guy).

Do not “share your feelings” with her.
That’s all I got for now, but these simple rules should have you tappin that ass in no time and keep you off the friendship tip.

Lots of interesting pointers here, folks.

Here’s my two cents: Start drinkin’ now, kid.

Womenfolk be pain with two legs, so you might as well be numb when you try to deal with’em.

Subtle variation on the confidence thing - Competance.

I like guys who are competant. At whatever it is they happen to be doing. I’ve gone for engineers, dancers, military types, cooks, programmers, carpenters, musicians… the one underlying thing about all of them is that they were good at what they did. They didn’t fake it, they just did it. They dressed for themselves, but they respected themselves too, and it generally showed in how they dressed.

As for who approaches whom, the culture varies by location - some places it is ‘standard’ for the guy to do all the approaching, others it doesn’t matter, others (like local to me) the girls better get off their butts, because guys won’t move without a direct invitation. But most people respond well to an honest approach, even if they thought it was their job to do so.

Speaking as a female who not only approached guys but also did so well before 18, my advice:

A) Be aware of what kind of woman you are looking for. If you are an engineer-type, you’ll find that the women who will like what you have to offer are those who dress appropriately to any situation. That is, they see social situations as events with function, and their clothing fits that function. Women who always dress ‘hot’ regardless of situation are not ones you will appreciate in the long run, nor will they appreciate you. If you’re more of a lawyer type, women who dress conservatively (but comfortably) will find you more appealing. Go look in the back of the Dress for Success books for women - there are interesting notes on what attire appeals to whom, and why. You can often ID the kind of guy they’re looking for by how they dress, strangely enough. Aim for the wrong kind, and you won’t meet their goals - end of progress, because you aren’t offering what they are looking for.

B) Image does count. For those who say ‘my personality is all I need’ - well, the right person can’t see your personality from across a room. You’ve got to have a visible reason for them to want to talk to you. Image won’t keep them there, your personality will. But you’ve got to make contact first. And never underestimate the opinion of the girlfriends’ assessment from across the room. If they say ‘UGH! HIM?’ a lot of women will second-guess themselves, and you lose. Care about how you look, let who you (and that you like who you are) show in your clothes, body, style.

C) Do things you either are good at or want to become good at (and do those until you’re good at them). Enjoy yourself, and lose yourself in whatever the activity is… I’ve gotten that ‘holy COW, look at HIM!’ reaction more often when seeing a guy just doing stuff he’s good at than at any other time. Faking it is helpful, but actually being competant fires up the genes that say ‘make babies with HIM!’ So, you don’t want babies yet, but that is the first step in the ‘getting serious’ process. Fire up the hormones. :slight_smile: I’ve gotten the same ‘let me have your baby, or at least let me into your pants’ reaction from watching a guy at a PC, working out the hiccups in a computer program, as watching a guy training a dog, as watching a guy playing piano, as watching a guy whip up some wicked jalapeno cornbread, as watching a guy do a perfect (and difficult) dive off the diving board. Doesn’t have to be physical. Just develop things you like doing and become good at them.

That’s all I can think of at the moment. If you develop who you are, like who you are, respect who you are, and let that show, the right girl will notice you, and/or won’t hesitate too much when you notice her.

(And double-ditto on not ‘wanting’ it too much - I can smell that miles away, and it is not appealing. The guys who didn’t think they could get me, or who weren’t even paying attention generally got way more noticed, and less avoided.)

There’s certainly something to be said for looking online;)