Give me a fucking break, choad. “Insensitive” and “nice guy” do not fall in the same category. “Unsocialized assbrain” and “anacephalic bigot” surely do from the evidence you’ve given us.
If you’re so ignorant, how did you latch on to the clue that “a widespread assumption that you are overweight because you don’t give a shit” is one of the issues fat people face in everyday life? Wait! I know, it’s because you just spewed that opinion yourself!
You may not have explored the issue, but you found enough dysentery-ridden crap rummaging around in your own bowels to throw this excrement into the thread:
No, you’re not “against” overweight people, you just think they’re thoughtless, careless slobs who purposefully set out to make sensitive, caring, nice guys evacuate all of their bodily orifices in an orgy of disgusted terror.
Oh! Please, no! Not the Victim Gambit!
Here’s a hint for you, infant: try wrapping your opinion in reasoned dissemination and see if it lasts longer than a slug doused with a pound of salt. Next time you have an opinion, closing the festering sewer you call a mouth and engaging that oxygen deprived organ known as a brain. You’ll do ever so much better in the long run.
Thanks Jadis, for the welcome. While I’m here, I thought I should say something a little more relevant. WRT the idiot that you go to lunch with that has the large mouth, I wondered if the others of your group were as offended as you are. If so, perhaps its time to tell this guy that he needs to find some other people to go to lunch with if he can’t keep his comments to himself. If they aren’t offended by him, then perhaps you’re eating with the wrong people. Just a thought.
Buliwyf
P.S. phouka, Wow, I hope someday I can deliver such scathing sarcasm. The whole victim response line was classic.
Jadis-Thanks for posting the link about PCOS- I see i got back a little late
Guinastasia- Thanks I made it up all by myself hehe
Tiggeril- thanks for welcoming me to the board- I went through severe withdrawl when the old one went down
Because of course minorities never persecute minorities.
You just went through something akin to "well, I’m not (random group) phobic but doesn’t this group of people behave in a manner that is seen to be stereotypical? Ha! isn’ that amusing?
Yes, and I am a heterosexual male, therefore I have little or no regard for my mates feelings, drink beer all the time and watch football all weekend while watching my mate clean the house…oh…wait…none of that is true. I do all the housework right now, (as I said my wife is preggers,) I don’t like beer and don’t drink more than one when I do have one, hate football, and I am extremely sensitive to my wifes thoughts, feelings and needs. But wait, that doesn’t fit my stereotype, what can it mean?
I’m enjoying this very much- I can barely wait for some other fat-disgusted person to show up and have his ass handed to him.
And talk about busting up stereotypes- I had always (obviously mistakenly) been under the impression that homosexuals were of above average intelligence and sensitivity! Silly fucking me.
And Nightlight, Buliwyf, I’d especially like to welcome you on board and say you have way cool names.
Being overweight does not equal poor presentation. Besides, your comment doesn’t even make sense. If my appearance truly isn’t the business of others, then why should I consider how I present myself? If I am truly liberated from their opinions, I won’t have to worry about it.
What makes me sick is when I see two parents buying their child a ridiculously expensive toy or their sixteen year old child a brand new sports car…Or two parents scrounging for drug money instead of feeding their kids, or parents who molest their children…or moms who buy their thirteen year old daughters thong underwear and shirts that say “Hot Girl”.
Junk food? Doesn’t bother me a bit.
I’m really glad you’re trying to understand the issue, but…being gay means you’ve got a free pass on the Train of Uber-Sensitivity?
Nope. Sorry.
And by the way, beautiful post, Billy Rubin.
Good grief. Whatever. You call me out for passing judgment with limited knowledge and then you do the same to me? Hypocrites. All of us!
and this…
…is called a joke, dumbass.
I’m trying to understand an issue that I really don’t understand, and I’ve admitted that. So, instead of being constructive, with the exception of a few, you people rip me a new one? I try to draw analogies so you can help me relate, and you assault me for that too? I try to sympathize, explaining that I’ve been subject to jokes and discrimination too, and you people call me an insenitive ignoramus? Fuck you.
FUCK YOU Assbrain. Go to hell. <-- see I can use your kind of logic too.
I’d just like to say that I don’t have anything against overweight people, just stupid overweight people with assholish behavior, hey you don’t even have to be overweight.
Yeah, I was wondering if someone would point out the tonal discrepency between dna_man’s first post and the later “let’s all have hugs” entries (internal voice #1: So why didn’t **you ** point it out? *internal voice #2: * Well…I was…you know…doing stuff… ). Phouka , remind me never to piss you off.
Now, dna_man, if you are sincere in this new “I want to understand” persona, please go back and re-read your first post. Surely you understand that there is some *truly *vile shit in there…whether intended or not. If it’s true that you understand what **Jadis **was trying to say in the OP, then try to understand how people saw your first post (*Internal voice #1: * You’re starting to sound like some pansy social worker!)
Anyway…the point I wanted to make…
The thing is…even as a straight man…I do fault them for it. I’m not going to to suggest that they don’t have a right to their opinion, it’s just that my opinion is that bigots in general are morally deficient. So long as they dont try to legislate their opinions (or enforce them with rifles and baseball bats) I’m content to let them stew in their own shit.
P.S. To all gay Dopers…please don’t give me shit for the pansy thing…
Previously: "If you want to talk about your appearance not being the business of others, consider how you present yourself at work. "
That’s not an implication, it’s an inference. You just failed the irony test. My implication was to the contrary: that you make an effort to look your best when you go to work as a measure to impress others and gain a sense of control.
I have suffered from skin problems - eczema, acne, dermatitis, infections - all my life. Of course, it got worse in my teen years. People have come up to me and said “Hey, you know you have really bad skin!” No shit, fuckhead.
I know that every time I look in the mirror
I know it every time I take a bath or shower and spend 20 minutes annointing various spots in a vain attempt to heal the wounds and stop the itch.
I know it when I wake up in the morning and see blood on the pillowcase and sheets from whatever rash, spot, or speck deciided to ooze or bleed overnight.
I do NOT need some asshole’s fucking advice on this soap or washing or not washing or that scrub or whatever potion or concoction worked for your third counsin’s aunt’s friend’s sister-in-law. I do not need fucking dietary advice about how if I just didn’t eat XX or ate more YY my problems would be solved. I do NOT need little “presents” of various weird shit bath salts or OTC cleansing products. This is NOT caused by candida albicans, although I have had staphlacoccous aurens infections serious enough to require surgery to drain the pus and shit. It is not caused by sex or lack of sex or any particular sexual practice, either solo or in tandem. Stop leaving water on my desk. Stop leaving weird-ass herbal tea shit on my desk. The green tea I’ll keep, because I like green tea, but don’t expect it to cure my skin problems.
Yes, I have been to the doctor, yes, to a dermatologist, too, and please skip the crack about “well, he must not be very good, huh?” Thanks to him, I’ve been able to enjoy occassional rash-free periods in my life. Other times I look like I’ve been drug face down over a gravel road. Except, you heartless slug, it’s not just my face but my entire fucking body, including interior mucus membranes like the inside of my mouth and nose, that indulge in creative eruptions. This is not a moral failing. It’s a rude fact of life I have to deal with.
Please don’t ask me “why did this happen?” Why are babies born missing limbs? It just fucking is, it’s not something that happened to me in childhood or the result of an industrial accident or other cause you can pin point.
Yes, we even know fuckingwhy this happens - my skin is hypersensitive, and so is my immune system. Which is why I also get to “enjoy” allergies as well. There are only two known treatments to really deal with this. One is massive doses of steroids. Of course, this will also leave me vulnerable to infections, cause me to gain massive amounts of weight even with normal calorie consumption and exercise, and, after a decade or two (because this treatment would have to be for life) my bones would be sponges, my eyes filmed over by cataracts, and my endocrine system (andrenal glands, pancreas, etc.) would be totally fucked up. Or a bone marrow transplant, which has a long list of side effects, including notably shortened lifespan and many of the steroid side effects because steroids are used to suppress the immune system and prevent rejection.
So, too fucking bad if you find my appearance ugly. I do too, sometimes. But I’m not going to destroy the rest of my body to achieve a skin covering acceptable to the assholes of the world, particularly when the treatment will have side effects like obesity that will render me just as repulsive as before.
I post the following query with great trepidation as I have been mildly slapped before for a perceived failure of sensitivity regarding weight issues. Let me state loudly and clearly that I am not trying to insult anyone-I’m honestly curious.
Prior to turning 40-I could pretty much consume vast quantities of food without any weight gain. However, I now have to “watch” my diet and my weight fluctuates approximately 5-10 lbs periodically. No biggie. When I can no longer comfortably slide into a pair of jeans-I dramatically reduce my caloric intake and exercise more strenuously until I can wear said pants. My question is this: Barring extenuating medical circumstances, how does one become severely obese without realizing that a dramatic change in lifestyle is necessary? I am assuming that no one wakes up and finds that they suddenly weigh 300 plus pounds. As more and more Americans begin to suffer from weight related diseases, I really think that perhaps we should examine the reasons why people become obese and address those issues.
These obesity threads are becoming monotonous. Somebody makes a rude comment about fat people, and pissed-off fat people respond.
Decent people do not comment on the appearance of strangers. Period. Didn’tDNA_Man’s mommy tell him that it isn’t nice to ask why that lady is so fat in his Outdoors voice? You are free to be as catty and snide as your dark little heart desires in private, but common decency decrees that one treat people with politeness and kindness.
Societal attitudes toward body shape are seriously wack. The standards of beauty we are presented by the media are unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Certainly, one ought to be as fit as one can (more in a sec), but it is absurd to expect a 45-year-old woman to look like Kate Moss. It is equally absurd to predicate one’s character and societal worth on one’s body shape.
Everyone who can should exercise and eat right. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
A. You’ll be more fit and ready to handle physical stress.
B. You’ll feel better about yourself.
C. You’ll save money on insurance premiums and medical bills.
D. You’ll get laid more often.
You don’t have to be Mr. Olympia; merely investing 30 minutes of regular exercise three times a week will pay big dividends.
Eat right and eschew processed garbage. Eat fruits and vegetables, lean protein, and high fiber grains. Stay the hell away from fried foods like burgers and fries, high fat foods like pizza and whole milk, and over-processed carbs like white rice
and pasta. (You can substitute with brown rice and whole-wheat pasta.)
The most important thing to do is to concentrate on being fit, not skinny. A 36-inch waisted person who can do pushups, carry heavy grocery bags up a flight of stairs, and can run for the Metro without feeling faint is MUCH better off than some 30-inch waisted person who is flabby and out-of-shape.
In any event, it’s not your business to make rude, uncalled for comments to anyone, ever.
