Why someone's appearance is simply none of your blasted business...a rant by Jadis.

I think it may be a combination of a number of factors. Like you, I was thin until my early twenties. When I did put on weight it was very sudden - maybe twenty pounds in three months. I not, however, immediately begin losing weight. I was still much thinner than many other people around me, and , despite pretty good training from my family, my eating habits had become atrocious and very deeply ingrained. I was also busy, and losing weight was a low priority. I continued to gain weight for a number of years and remain moderately (20-30 lbs.) overweight.

I was lucky in each of the factors above; I suspect that many who are more overweight than I were not so lucky. If one grows up overweight, there is no moment of shock that one is no longer thin. I was living in Santa Cruz at the time, so I was still fatter than most people; had I been living in a place with more grossly overweight people, I would likely not have noticed my gain so much. My eating habits were bad, but at least I had learned healthy habits as a child. I was busy, but I was lucky enough to be too poor to afford a lot of the really fattening foods. Finally, although I did suffer from depression before I got fat, I was fortunate enough to largely overcome it. For a person who can’t bear to get up in the morning, food can be a uniquely accessible pleasure.
These are just the factors I can think of, I’m sure there are many more.

I still say fat slobs make me sick. I’m not backing down on that one. Just in case you thought I was.

And don’t call me a coward. I’ve not heard anyone else come in here with the balls to admit what I’ve said. Probably the reason why this issue never gets much discussion is because of fuck nuts like you who refuse to listen to my side of it. I still maintain that most people out here are, maybe not sickened, but definately put off by the mere presence of humongous people. You are in denial if you don’t realize that. Just turn on the TV some time and you will see the way America views obesity. I am not alone here. Quit acting as if I’m expressing some off-the-wall opinion that nobody else shares. I got news for you… we may be afraid to say it (probably because of assholes like y’all), but a lot of people share this opinion. I wasn’t going to respond any more to this wasteoid group of idiots, but there you go. Like it or not, I speak the truth. I thought this was a country (and a forum) where you were allowed to have an opinion. Guess I was wrong.

And to those of you who think I’m waffling. I’m bisexual. And many of the women and men that I’ve dated (as well as many of my other friends) agree with me on this point. Maybe I’m dating nothing but shallow morons, but you people aren’t much different, you’re just on the other side of the fence. In fact… the only people I know who disagree with me on this point are the ones who are not happy with their own weight.

Don’t you go insultin my momma now, gobear. She taught me good manners, and as such, I never express these opinions publicly, and I don’t joke about it like “R” from the OP. I’m not saying it’s ok to go around making fun of people. I thought I made that clear, but you people don’t notice that. Instead you choose to go off on my ass because I express an unpopular opinion, which is only unpopular in this room.

I agree with your point #2… societal standards of attractiveness are unrealistic, but that doesn’t mean you should deny their existence. Many of the replies so far have sounded as if people don’t beleive in the fact that society views obesity as a problem. That’s like not believing in raindrops, folks. The sentiment is out there… you don’t have to like it, but don’t call me wierd for having the same opinion as the majority of people in the country. Call me weak if you want to… I don’t really know why I have this opinion, and I suppose it could be because society says I should think that way.

How do you square this

"I’m not saying it’s ok to go around making fun of people. "

with this

“I still say fat slobs make me sick” ? If you find fat people unattractive, that’s up to you, but it’s not polite to air that opinion in public because it is hurtful to overweight people. It is also woefuly short-sighted. Many wonderful, kind, yea, even sexy, people are heavy.

Well, if you take your opinions from television, you’re a bigger moron than I thought.

You’re allowed to have as many opinions as you like, but in a public forum, you have no immunity to having your opinions challenged. Deal with it.

I didn’t deny their existence; I said they were (and are) unrealistic and unachievable for most people. People are not saying that societal prejudice against fat people doesn’t exist; they are saying that it’s wrongheaded and unkind to say such things in the hearing of others.

In any event, your taking refuge in the shelter of the majority just means that you are unable to come up with reasons for your prejudice.

Bull. [bg]i’m** a weightlifter who eats right and looks good accordin to your standards, but I loathe people who feel the need to demean others to puff up their own pitiful egos.

Pity it’s not as easy to follow as some people might think.

For instance: Eating “right” (using the examples you give) is an ability reserved specifically only for people who can tolerate that diet. Most people cannot convince themselves they “like” those foods, because the plain and simple fact of the matter is, food that is fatty or unhealthy simply tastes better than the whole grain goodnessof a nice bowl of mueslix. (by the way, I rarely eat anything but brown rice and whole grain bread, I can’t stand any kind of pasta, and I never eat white bread) And I can do 30 minutes of exercise 7 days a week, and it will have a negligible effect on my size and fitness, I’ve done it. And until you’ve lived in this body, you can’t say otherwise, and to say otherwise is pure conjecture.

The medical establishment has not even discovered the “answers”. For every “learned professional” who “knows the answers lie in eating right and getting exercise” there are a thousand people who do, and are yet large. There are as many diets as there are people. There are as many “solutions” as there are doctors and dieticians.

Here is the irrefutable fact. Some people have the metabolisim to be able to eat anything and get away with it. Some do not. Those who do not must work very hard, sometimes impossibly hard, to follow a diet and exercise regimen to maintain a “normal” weight and fitness level. I’m sick to death of the anti-fat BS, and I’m as sick of people who never eat a cheeseburger telling me “all I have to do is just this little thing and you’ll be fit and thin”. You do not know. You have no idea. Stop it. If you dare, come live my life, come walk a mile in my shoes. See if you can figure out how to get enough exercise in to make me svelte. (as I have said earlier, I am NOT weak, I’m just fat) See if you can find foods that I can tolerate that I will eat that are “good for me”. See if you can go a week eating what I eat, living with my stress level, dealing with my life. Lots of people have tried, lots of people have failed. Almost everyone “knows the answer” to my “problem”, but in fact my “problem” is merely that I was born with a different metabolisim than the guy in the next cube, who can literally eat exactly the same food as me and lose weight while I gain.

And dna_man, nobody is questioning your right to your opinion. No more than we question the right of someone to hold the opinion that “those AC-DC guys make me sick”. Get the message. While it is possible for me and people like me to maintain a “normal” weight and size, it is dramatically more difficult than anything you can imagine, and it is not your place to judge us because you are absolutely and completely ignorant of what it is like to live this life. If you choose to have a narrow minded shallow opinion of fat people because you are narrow minded and shallow, that’s fine, but keep it to yourself. If you choose to have a narrow minded and shallow opinion of fat people because “you know all they have to do is eat right and exercise” you are simply a fool, and bringing that foolishness out here is going to get you handed your ass.

I’m working like a dog right now, trying to find doctors, dieticians, etc. who can help me lose some weight. I’m not having a lot of luck. I get a whole lot of people telling me “Ah, no prolem, just lay off the fatty foods” or “hey, I did this whatchamacallet diet and lost twenty pounds”. I need good sound medical advice and treatment, and I’m not getting it, and I’m taking a very active role in my healthcare right now, and getting nowhere. And it pisses me off, just liken these threads piss me off, and to anyone who claims to “have the answers” I issue this challenge. If you have the stuff it takes, get your ass here now and show me. Until you do that, keep your opinions(because until they are proven to be effective, that’s all they are) to yourself.

b.

Btw Gobear, I wan’t attacking you, I’m just venting my spleen. I know you mean well and are good hearted.

b.

How do you square this

"I’m not saying it’s ok to go around making fun of people. "

with this

“I still say fat slobs make me sick” ? If you find fat people unattractive, that’s up to you, but it’s not polite to air that opinion in public because it is hurtful to overweight people. It is also woefuly short-sighted. Many wonderful, kind, yea, even sexy, people are heavy.

Well, if you take your opinions from television, you’re a bigger moron than I thought.

You’re allowed to have as many opinions as you like, but in a public forum, you have no immunity to having your opinions challenged. Deal with it.

I didn’t deny their existence; I said they were (and are) unrealistic and unachievable for most people. People are not saying that societal prejudice against fat people doesn’t exist; they are saying that it’s wrongheaded and unkind to say such things in the hearing of others.

In any event, your taking refuge in the shelter of the majority just means that you are unable to come up with reasons for your prejudice.

Bull. [bg]i’m** a weightlifter who eats right and looks good accordin to your standards, but I loathe people who feel the need to demean others to puff up their own pitiful egos.

posted by dna_man

Sorry, you don’t get points for being a vocal asshole.

This isn’t a negotiable issue. It’s nasty to comment on aspects of other people’s personal appearance that are irrelevant to your life and possibly beyond their control. It’s also nasty to make those judgements in the quiet of your own heart, though if you are benighted enought to hold those opinions, I think most people here would be happy to if you just refrained from being rude and scornful.

Of course we realize that. We also happen to think that’s an unthinking, uncompassionate, prejudiced point of view.

Oh, please. :rolleyes: It’s also a country and a forum where one is “allowed” to have opinions about other people’s opinions, as I’m sure you are aware.

Huh? Dopers have been talking about their experiences of this view.

Nobody’s calling you weird for having that opinion. We’re calling you a jerk. Part of being an adult is a willingness to think about the opinions one has recieved willy-nilly from society, rather than uncritical adoption of whatever you pick up around you.

Sheesh, what’s with the doubleposting? Mods, please delete one.

no worries Billy Rubin. My advice was just for the average schmoe who doesn’t work out and lives on junk food. Some people, like you and my mom, have metabolism problems that make it difficult to shed excess body weight. I got nothing but sympathy for your situation. Good luck with your struggle.

Billy Rubin, Thanks for the welcome, glad you like my name.

Had a thought just now that I wanted to ask. As per my above statement that I find “bigger women” sexier than skinnier ones, I wanted to ask dna_man:

How big is too big? When does it reach the point that it sickens you? For example, most people in hollywood, (based on statements from tv and magazines,) seem to think that size two or three is grossly huge. Keep in mind that this is the size of most of the girls on Friends at the start of the series. They have since come down to a size zero and now look sick to me. My point is that I think it’s important here for dna_man to establish for us exactly what point of obesity crosses the “sick line” for him.

Buliwyf

You aren’t a coward for stating an unpopular opinion, you are a coward for backing down and begging for approval when you realized that there wasn’t a cohort of bigots to cheer you on.

And don’t claim that everyone agrees with you but doesn’t have the guts to admit it. The fact is that most people who participate on this board are adult enough to recognize that other people’s weight is none of their business. That is all Jadis was saying and you jumped on her rudely and childishly, you heterosexual…no, wait…gay no…bisexual man. GROW UP and stop dedicating your life to whatever will get you approval or sympathy.

Or better yet, beg some more - it’s kind of fun to watch in a sick way.

And, of course, being an asshole doesn’t take “balls.”

You think you’re brave because you are willing to sign on to an anonymous message board and say this? Ha! Compared to some of the stuff that people–non-anonymous people–on this board have admitted, your big brave admission is pretty pathetic.

And maybe no one here has backed you up because no one agrees with you.

Shouldn’t that quote read:

Noone else is dumb enough to post on here for the world to see how ignorant they are.

For future reference dna_man I offer the following:

Grandpa always told us: If you know you’re stupid, don’t prove it!

or the even better: Better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

or the slightly dumb: a closed mouth gathers no foot.

Buliwyf

Yersinia Pestis, you have my gratitude for clarifying my points more eloquently than I was able to myself. And kudos to the rest of you who understand what I’m trying to get at as well.

Billy Rubin, I know exactly where you’re coming from. I’m not so severely overweight that I’m publicly mocked (at least not to my face), but I’ve struggled with my weight loss for the past 2 years with minimal success. At my lowest point, I’d only lost about half of what I’d like to lose just to be in the “normal” range (not even approaching slim). I stuck to my eating and exercise regimen like glue and spent endless weeks with the scale not moving an ounce. I tried tweaking, I tried shaking things up (since many people claim that plateaus occur when your body gets too accustomed to your new eating pattern), I exercised like a madwoman (my vacation of choice last summer was mountain biking with my sister in GA, and I challenge even the fittest of you on this board to have kept up with us), but none of this had any effect on shaking off some pounds.

The honest truth is, for about 18 months, trying to lose this weight consumed every aspect of my life. Not a morsel of food passed my lips that wasn’t consciously considered and planned, I read support bulletin boards, I read weight loss articles, I read books, I went to the doctor (including an endocrinologist, because I still believe that I’m PCOS), and do you know what my doctors (both my family doctor and my specialist) told me? They said that losing more than 10% of your body weight (I’d lost close to 20%) is almost guaranteed not to stay off, and that if I kept off what I’d lost, I’d be in the extreme minority and I should count myself lucky. The both agreed that I should be happy with how much I’d already lost, do my best not to regain it and just accept the fact that I wasn’t meant to be thin. This, from both of my doctors, when I was less than halfway to my conservative goal and was still extremely overweight by any standard height/weight chart in existence.

Again, thanks to those of you who know where I’m coming from and were willing to share your own experiences for the sake of eradicating even a small amount of ignorance. :slight_smile:

Sorry fella:

  1. I have no problem whatsoever with humongous people. I’m not crazy about the aesthetic of slovenly people, but they come in ALL sizes, not only large.

  2. I’m very happy with my weight.

Perhaps if you got a smaller brush to paint with, you would come across as less of a shmoe.

Al.

I think what really struck me in your original post is your comment about how your boss lost the weight, now it’s coming back etc… Personally, I think he’s compensating for low self-esteem and fear on his part by mocking other people whose problems he shared not a few years ago. It sort of reminded me of the classic homophobe in high school-who two years after graduation came out of the closet-but compensated for his fear by being nasty to other gay students.

But that’s not your problem. Small department or not, you have a right to feel comfortable. They may pay you-but you also work there. I think you need to have a polite chat with this person and if he doesn’t respond properly-and you are still feeling like crap then you need to go to the proper authorities.

I hope everything works out for you.

I think dna_man should attend a Girth & Mirth meeting.

If you’d like to look me up, I’ll be the fat one. :slight_smile:

Wait. I need a haircut. It’s probably too long to be neat enough for you.

Never mind.

Beautiful post, gobear.

This paragraph I especially like:

I think we can agree that people saying, in effect, “I’m worried about your health” is good. Nightshade, that you found a correctable medical issue was wonderful…

Down on the other end of the specturm, making jokes about someone’s health is seriously assholish. I wouldn’t eat with such people.

Somewhere in between are well-meaning people and embarassing situations, but still, being fit and living healthy should always be a goal and never need apologies.

Why is this? To me, this is like saying, “Making as much money as possible should always be a goal and never need apologies.”

You have your priorities. I have mine.

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Why is this? To me, this is like saying, “Making as much money as possible should always be a goal and never need apologies.”

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Nnnno, I think it’s more like “Making enough money to provide you and your family with a comfortable life (preferably with college and retirement thrown in) should always be a goal and never need apologies.”

Or does that not fit in with your life plan either?