I am Agador Spartacus!
Yes, there’s definitely a similarity there. But in a thread like this I respond not so much to the OP but to the silent audience that’s reading - there are some young men out there who are just learning to make their way in the world who are honestly asking questions.
Then there are the guys who view women as Sex Vending Machines and are looking for the proper coinage to get it to dispense a blow job or vagina, or better yet a cheat code of some sort to get it. They don’t get that men who treat women as human beings and individuals do usually manage to get laid - unlike “incel” types.
Look, dudes, if half the human race refuses to have anything to do with you MAYBE the problem is you, not them.
I think there is some value there as long as you don’t get carried away and take it to extremes. Humans are notoriously variable, not bound by instinct, and how they go about mating and reproducing varies quite a bit from society to society. I mean, sure, most people are monogamous but there plenty examples of men with multiple wives, at least two cultures that involve women with multiple husbands, and all sorts of variations.
It’s a strategy utilized by some humans, but certainly not all. It’s an option, not a mandate.
That’s going to vary from woman to woman. Some never fall for the bad boys. Some never stop. Most of us encounter one or two when we’re young and naive and learn from experience.
Does this have (for want of a better term) a name? Any handy internet refs? I’d like to read more.
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Is it possible for this thread to not turn into the…Nice Guy vs. Jerk discussion that there were numerous other threads have gone down? Not trying to junior-mod, but just hoping this thread can be different than the others. Because every point about Nice Guys that can be hashed has been hashed to death.
I’m trying to find a previous thread where a new OP made a similar assertion as here - it was something along the lines of ‘women don’t enjoy sex’ wherein it was argued (something to the effect): women don’t feel attraction or desire for men, they just feign it in order to have the protection of a male, or a stable relationship, or financial security
Based on may years experience in the pubs and clubs, having a great body is a strong strategy for a man if you just want to get laid. You can significantly improve your success rate by improving your body, at least if you started out south of average. And women will approach you if that is your strategy. So based on that I would say that the OPs statement is wrong, or at least do not describe the majority of women.
It does however seem to me that women will respond to a broader variety of strategies. Other people I know who have been consistently successful have based it on a pleasant voice and good conversational skills, projecting a confident bad boy image or in one case, consistent success over years based on no strategy I could identify. Unless being mistaken for an inarticulate orangutan in dim light is actually a strategy. So I would guess that women respond sexually to a broader range of stimuli than men, and your impression of what they respond to may be coloured by what you’ve experienced or what is not socially discouraged in your milieu.
The notion that women need conversation to spark attraction would seem contrary not just to practical experience in loud clubs, but also female consumption of porn and the number of boyband pictures over girls beds.
Post #49 gives one name for it, but I doubt it’s an official scientific one. I can’t recall something short and sweet, but it would certainly be under “mating strategies”.
This might be closest to the truth.
I guess that odd sensation in my nether regions when I was standing in line behind totally hot guy wondering what he’d be like in bed was the start of a UTI. I’ll have to see a doctor about that.
The whole post just feels like it was created by someone who has never spent any time with women as just friends with a lot of wishful thinking. (Women only being attracted to their boyfriend’s erect penis?) There are elements that ring true for some women, in some circumstances, but in my own personal experience, so much of it is just way off base.
I think that thread was about penises; that the “truth” was that women find penises ugly but pretend to like them because they like the emotional attachment, bonding etc of being in a relationship.
The thing is, the OP represents the typical immature male perspective.
I hope that doesn’t fall afoul of the forum’s rules on insulting other posters, because I don’t think immature should be a pejorative; it’s something we all go through.
At one time or another all men come to the “revelation” that women only like relationships and not sex. I mean generally women aren’t interested in “transactional” sex absent any attempt at seduction, so what gives?
What gives is that their sex drive just works differently. My current girlfriend has a ridiculous sex drive and basically wants to do it several times a day, which is more than I can generally manage. She’s calling me over as I write this message. 
And yeah she talks a lot about how she likes my butt, shoulders and so on.
OK I’m bragging but I’m just trying to illustrate that all the stuff I once thought about women and sex was pure bull.
As a member of the gender that bears the brunt of STDs and what results from sex - i.e., kids - I think it’s fair to say that women are understandably a little more cautious when it comes to hopping in the sack.
Keep in mind that that also doesn’t take into consideration other possible issues, such as the fact that women get aroused differently than men, and also may have to contend with other issues guys might not consider.
The choice not to have sex with lots of complete strangers was simple practicality. I’m not having sex with someone who doesn’t understand my body, or with someone who doesn’t care if they get me pregnant, or who might hurt me or force me to do something I don’t want to do. And while I have had a one-night stand or two, it’s hard to get the measure of someone you haven’t known for more than a couple of hours. I got lucky (heh), but not everyone is quite so fortunate.
I think we’re simply talking among ourselves at this point. I believe the OP has taken his bat and hypothesis home.
Some of us have had plenty experience with “Nice Guys”.
I don’t know whether to have pity or disgust for the OP.
He either knows he is full of it, and is trying to troll, but stumbling badly,
or even worse he actually believes what he is writing.
Ah! I think you’re right. Now… how to search for it… maybe not from work.
I think you’re right - I’m fairly sure these sorts of threads typically arise out of frustration experienced by young males who are not succeeding in forming relationships at all - and conclude this must be happening because the whole world (or half of it by gender) is against them.
I know. But all the things attributed to Nice Guys by people who profess to have had their fill of interacting with them are secondhand statements, if you see what I mean.
I see a long litany of “Nice Guys say ____ but they also complain that ____” and those turn out to be statements made by other people who specifically do not like Nice Guys.
When someone asks what the Republicans want or what they stand for, we don’t quote partisan Democrats and regard that as a legitimate source.
Men are Sun People whereas women are Ice People.
So the OP makes a sweepingly bullshit statement regarding the nature and expression of female sexuality, but not liking “Nice Guys” is the real problem. Oooooo-KAY then. :thumbs:
Not at all. The sweepingly bullshit statement received my initial attention. Get that thumb out of my face.
Likewise, the mansplaining.