Working for Corporate America and the Dickheads that sometimes run it

I have just been called on the carpet for the first time in my working history. Apparently I dis’d someone, and while that would generally fill me with remorse and the insant urge to apologize and make it right, I am instead filled with bile and rage; which I would now like to share with you good people.

I work for a very small subsidiary of a verrrrry large company (I only mention it because while my location is small, the Powers That Be are part of a large conglommeration and so can be expected to function like professionals, as opposed to a small Mom - n -Pop operation).

There are three managers: my boss , who we’ll call GE, who handles the local business, a manager that handles the national business ,who we’ll call DW, and a manager that oversees both who we’ll call CB. On a daily basis, I answer only to my boss, though ultimately the Regional Manager(CB) has the final authority.

In the interst of trying to keep it brief, our office is the epitome of casual. Yes, we may dress semi-proessionally, but it’s blue language and witty repartee 5/40. It’s an easygoing atmosphere where people say all manner of things to each other. No one cares, as long as shit gets done.

A few days ago we had a visitor (an extremely rare occurance). He was clearly a gofer from another business and was there to ascertain a certain service from us. Again, without going into detail(though I will later if it seems important to the story) I had an exchange with DW. He was basically barking at me to aid him in helping The Visitor. After a couple of attempts to help him, I finally said in a very obviously joking manner, words to the affect of “the person you need to speak with is right outside. Why don’t you ask her yourself?” In the end, I did in fact end up getting the info for him myself. Gofer laughed, I laughed, DW seemed to be laughing.

The next day my boss ,GE, calls me into his office and tells me that DW (whom I do not report to) complained to CB that I was disrespectful to him. CB then called my boss GE(who wasn’t even on the premises at the time of “the incident”) into her office where the whole thing was relayed (erroneously)to him.

Now, my job is in no danger. My boss doesn’t like CB or DW and doesn’t give a shit about the whole thing. He did have some obligation to address the situation and I have no problem with that. We laughed about CB and DW and the whole thing was put to rest.

Except I’m still pissed. Not about being called to task for “bad behavior”. First of all, the managers set the tone of the office long before I got there, so I don’t really consider my behavior out of line. But okay; I’ll stretch my imagination and concede that DW didn’t appreciate an “underling” sassing him in front of an outsider. This is the thing though:if he had called me aside later and said :" Hey Wook, what the fuck was up with that?" If he had in any way approached me and indicated that I’d hurt him or offended him, I would have bent over backward with a sincere apology. Instead, he “told on me” like a fucking third grader. Then, instead of CB (the “big boss” ) calling a meeting between the three of us, she tells my boss, who has fuck all to do with it, and puts him in the middle of something he knows nothing and cares less about.

So now, CB is smiling to my face, though she obviously knows I’ve been talked to and has to know I’m pissed. DW hasn’t attempted to look me in the eye, much less speak to me, because I think he knows how that will turn out. And in the end, what used to be a wild and crazy, fairly fun place to work has been tainted by the Ghosts of Dickless Wonders and the Clueless Bitches that consort with them.

Phew. I didn’t know how irritated I was, but now I feel ever so much better.

This is big to you because it’s a firsy, but this is very small, and you’ll be cooling off in a few days. This is a very useful learning experience. Your boss responded very well. I must say, since you understand that this episode is really minot and your job is not in doubt.

You now know that DW is a weasel. And I would argue that acted entirely reasonably as well as your boss. CB could have called you in for a confrontation with DW in front of her. CB has just as much duty to address a complaint from DW as GE did from CB. The decision to let your boss handle this as he saw fit was entirely to your benefit.

Virtually the same thing has happened to me several times. When weasels are slighted, the tend to complain as high up the food chain as they can get. I work at a hospital, and there have been 3 or 4 incidents where I pissed an MD off, and my boss ends of getting called by the VP of Medical Affairs. These have all been for bullshit stuff, really all about my choice of words. There are times I have to enforce some rules and say “No” to people, and apparently cringe enough or something when I say it to an MD or department manager. I’ve had my decisions overturned a couple of times, because the person actually does have enough clout to get orders issued in spite of the rules. The worst my boss has ever done was tellll me I was right, but I shouuld have been more “artful”".

You have to find some way to fuck DW over that won’t bounce back on you. Difficult, but worth it. Then balance will be restored and things can go along swimmingly again.

Thanks, Boyo. My righteous indignation aside, I know it could have gone much worse in light of the relationship between DW and CB. I, not unlike DW, am suffering from wounded pride. And whether or not I think mine is more justified, it’s different sides of the same coin, isn’t it? Can we now talk about my bedwetting problem?
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I’m guessing you’re joking, but the truth is I actually started replaying all the things in my mind that would “bust” him . i.e. every time he’s addressed me and all the other women as honey, baby, sugar sweety, etc… . or all the racial jokes he’s made (he’s black, most of us are not). Of course I would never do that because that sort of thing doesn’t actually bother me, and even if it did, “revenge” isn’t my strong suit.

I have a dozen retorts if he ever strikes up a conversation with me, and I’ve orchestrated the"grand smackdown" in my mind. But getting back to reality, how do you think I should deal with him in the future? Of course, being The Evil Captor, I can only imagine :wink:

A rule to live by: Jokes among co-workers and superiors are fine as long as it is kept amonst the group. Never do it in front of others. You can still have fun, but the rules change. This same rule applies when you discipline someone. Never do it in front of others unless it is serious enough that HR has to be involved.

So, I suggest that you act pleasant around this person, but things have changed now. No more should you treat this person as if they are part of the same rambunctios crew that you had before. Any jokes and repartee between you should be something that you could stand up in front of Sunday school and not be embarrased to re-tell.

And then, through hard work and perseverence, when you are finally higher than they are on the corporate ladder, FIRE THEIR FUCKING WEASLY ASS! Make sure they know the reason is because they were so dickless as to not pull you aside and say something like, “I really enjoy our working relationship, it makes the job much more enjoyable and helps pass the time, but people from outside the company might not understand how we do things here. So, lets tune if down a bit when visitors are around. Hey, I know I’m just as bad, but I’m trying to work on it. Let me know if I do it, too. Thanks.”. Or, they could have arranged a meeting with everyone to discuss this and get a group consensus on what is appropriate behavior when visitors are around. But NOOO, he had to single you out. Well it is their turn to be singled out. Bye, bye!

I don’t know if you were joking or not, but this is lousy advice. Ignore DW, work around DW, DO NOT try to fuck over DW. Stuff like that always makes you look bad.

I was not joking. DW has done a bad thing, fucking up the smooth efficiency of the office. Read Wook’s rant – things were going swimmingly, DW acts the asshole, now they aren’t. The problem exists primarily in Wook’s mind, but it’s a real problem nonetheless. The level of response, or the necessity for it, lies with Wook. If he can shrug it off as just human stupidity and go on, that’s probably the approrpriate thing to do. If he’s as pissed off as the OP seems to suggest, he should probably retaliate against DW in some way so he can feel he got some of his own back and balance is restored. It’s better to blow off resentment in small ways than to let it fester.

(I understand that it may well be that the OP overstate’s Wook’s level of offendedness, as this is the Pit, an appropriate place for blowing off steam, in which case no response may be appropriate.)

Now, the retaliation hardly needs to be to the same level as DW’s offense. Wook just needs to get some feel of balance back in the relationship between him and DW. This can be hard to do if Wook is the ONLY person who has been treated badly by DW, but this is rarely the case. Most of the time, asshole behavior springs from some assholishness in the person’s character, and manifests itself frequently and to many people.

The key to the success of retaliation is that it doesn’t give the asshole any opportunity to get back at you, since that wouldn’t really redress the whole balance thing, making it worse. Most of the time that means no one should know or (ideally) even suspect that you did it. Which is why it’s best to only retaliate if there are multiple people who reasonably would like to get back at DW.

The retaliation could take the form of a simple practical joke, such as an anonymously gifted subscription to “Humiliated Crossdresser Magazine.” Or put something messy/disgusting in the pockets of his overcoats if he leaves them on a coat rack while no one’s looking. Or if he goes out on calls, have someone pretend to be a client, call from an anonymous phone and send him out on a call to an empty lot or someplace he’d be embarrassed to be seen. Have them do it several times.

Having done that, Wook is then free to go on, not thinking hard thoughts about DW because he’s demonstrated that he can get back at him when DW gets out of line.

Now, this stuff about getting into management just so you can fire the fucker – that’s taking things too far. Keep it simple and do no long-term harm, wherever possible.

That’s it right there. The Corporate world is a constant pissing match, and some people believe that men can piss for better distance and accuracy than women.[1] Judging by the number of woman I’ve both worked for and have had working for me, this is total bullshit, but that’s how some folks feel. They may never admit it to themselves, but deep, deep down, they’re thinking, “What’s she doing here?” I call these people insecure pricks or [insert name of one manager I once had, who was also routinely outsmarted by cheese].

CB probably feels like he’s lost a little face, both in your light hearted sassing him in front of a visitor, and in his tattling on you. The best revenge you can get is whenever you catch his eyes to not look away. Make him break eye contact. Like it or not, you’re in a pissing match. Unlike what CB may subconsciously think, it’s not being judged on distance and accuracy. It’s judged on quantity. You’d better be sure you’re drinking coffee and beer.

Good luck.

Nitpick: CB is a woman (a she), DW is Dickless Wonder (a he); DW is the one who felt he lost face and responded inappropriately.

Nitpick: CB is Clueless Bitch (a she), DW is Dickless Wonder (a he); DW is the one who felt he lost face and responded inappropriately.

Dang it! Right gender, wrong boss.

(Did you get that memo?)

OP, as others have noted, this shit is going to happen again and again. This IS life in CorpWorld.

My rule about jokes is this: Unless you are truly buddy-buddy with a coworker, don’t joke. The upside is a few chuckles, the downside is you piss people off. And people are easy to piss off.

That doesn’t mean be humorless. By don’t joke, I mean no jokes whatsoever about real people, no jovial ribbing, etc. No ethnic jokes, no jokes with vulgar language, nada. You can express humor by telling funny but non-offensive stories about yourself, about non-political things in the news, etc.

Yeah, it’s a minefield. Tread carefully.

So I’m finding out, I guess. What makes it such a pisser is that the climate in my office is, as I said, totally casual. I’ve always been an outspoken, smartass type of gal, but I’ve managed to work in the corporate world for the last twenty years without getting myself in to trouble. I’d say that’s a pretty good indication that I know how to act appropriately. I was just acting the way *everyone * here does *every day *. Now, if I offended DW, I offended him. I can’t take it back, but at least now I know what kind of person I’m dealing with. Clearly his ego is supersized to compensate for his apparent deficit of genitalia. It just seems pretty hypocritical in light of the crap I’ve heard come out of his mouth. Anyway, the crux of my ire is not whether or not he has a right to feel offended, but about him being a pussy. Your point is well taken that I shouldn’t be too comfortable with my co-workers, and that’s really gonna make this place a dull and sucky place to be.

Nothing is every truly anonymous. Either you tell a “trusted” friend, or someone catches you, or they figure it out.

If this happened in my office I’d try to avoid working with DW but I’d actively work to get you removed. Assholes are everywhere; but if you react like this to a co-worker I could never trust you with anything. You’d be a potential disaster and I wouldn’t want you in my office.

People who screw up are par for the course. People who seek retribution are dangerous.

You’re just saying it’s OK for DW to screw with Wook, but it’s not OK for Wook to screw with DW. You must have read that passage in 1984 about “picture a boot trampling on a human face, forever” and thought, “man, I like that!” 'Cause that’s pretty much what you advocate.

I guess I’d be trying to get rid of you, too, if that’s what you advocate.

Unlike the rest of your post, this is a good point. It is hard to do something so it can’t be traced to you. Telling anyone what you are up to, trusted friend or otherwise, is of course ridiculously stupid – you might as well bend over and spread 'em for DW as do that. But it’s hardly inevitable that you are caught or that someone figures it out. You have to think things through carefully, which I am sure is where most people screw up, as thinking things through takes patience and mental effort.

Thinking Telemark’s contention through – if figuring out who did what when was so easy, almost all crimes would be easily solvable by the professionals assigned to solve them. And most are, largely because they’re committed by idiots or people whose emotional need to commit the crimes outweighs their rationality.

Of course, in the corporate world you hardly need evidence to “convict” someone for a “misdeed” – hell, here in Georgia and in many other states, the ultimate corporate penalty, firing, requires no evidence at all. Which means innocents probably get nailed for little or not reason. I bet that breaks your heart, Telemark.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s ok for DW to screw with Wook at all. But just because he is an ass doensn’t mean Wook should be.

Where have I advocated that Wook be an ass?

Yes, that’s right. Advocating a modicum of adulthood is just what the Thought Police are waiting for.

You are the brain-dead.

I’d advise being wary of DW, but acting unprofessionally will be of no help until you’re his equal or superior in the hierarchy.