I bet if this guy hadn’t spent his adult life telling any who would listen that the things he did were terrible sins, he’d feel a lot less self-hatred than he does. Maybe he wouldn’t have a wife and five kids to betray, and a following of millions to answer to. Maybe up to now he was just afraid of getting caught? Maybe it’s the getting caught that really hurts him presently, the loss of power and esteem. I bet that’s his greatest source of torment. He’ll still make out like a bandit from this. His wife will get the fattest of divorce settlements, and he can flee to Bangkok if he likes with his severance. He will lose his pulpit, though. I’d bet real money that’s whats killing him right now.
btl beat me.
Is there no straight talk in public discourse anymore? (Pun intended.) First he denies knowing Jones, then he said he knew him but there there was no sex, but he bought drugs and threw them away; now he admits to “sexual immorality,” but explains all the confusion thusly –
See, it was just circumstances. Ya know, shit happens. And his denials of knowing Jones and fucking him were “inconsistent statements.”
He is a garden variety lying, cheating, self absorbed sack of shit. He just happened to be the head of an organization 30 million strong; an organization with serious political clout that controls its members through adherence to dogma and a promise of a better life in the hereafter.
With great power comes great responsibility. This just solidifies my belief that organized religion inevitably becomes corrupt. Accepting the premise that a god of a particular description does exist, why is there a need to get together and shout about it? Surely God is able to accept our worship on an individual basis, no?
I wouldn’t cross the street top piss on him if he were on fire.
Practically speaking, any fire hot enough to burn on a person is unlikely to be diminished much by the urine volume contained in the average adult bladder. Far better to encourage the “stop, drop, and roll” technique to smother the flames.
Unless they were the Flames of Hell, then all bets are off.
It’s sad to see people in a belief system which seems to mandate that they must hate their own very nature.
I seem to recall that you abstain from alcohol. It seems to me as well that there is plenty of self hatred amongst alcoholics irrespective of religion.
Wtf??
Well, that one whooshed me. What are you trying to say?
Just speculating on what the Dutchman was trying to say.
Nope, doesn’t add up. I don’t drink alcohol because I don’t like how I become when I drink. I don’t demand that others not drink because I can’t handle it.
If someone decides to abstain from homosexual relationships because they don’t like it for themselves, should they set up a network to condemn others who don’t choose to abstain from homosexual relationships?
I’ll take up the slack for you, Qadgop, and I like you just fine when I’m drinking.
True. “Stop, cross, and piss” isn’t the kind of program the NFPA wants an engine company demonstrating to school children. The mental pictures for fire prevention week posters are rather amusing, though. 
Yes, I am a sick fuck. Why do you ask? 
He is a hypocritical cocksucker who pretended to have a pipeline to god. He is a liar and should be tarred and featherered.
I excuse a man for his transgressions. But ,not a guy whos stock and trade is religion.They are treated differerently.
I deliberately refrained from suggesting that you were a “recovering alcoholic”. Somewhere in the distant past I remembered that you abstained and I tentatively assumed that you might have gone through a hell of your own like I did. It had nothing to do with religion for me. It had everything to do with choices I did not want to make but made anyway.
My point is simply that it doesn’t take a religion to hate yourself. Its when you do things that you know you shouldn’t for whatever reason and can’t seem to get yourself under control. Thats when you hate yourself.
I’m glad that you simply had no problem abstaining.
Now I didn’t say I had no problem abstaining. 7 years of hell finally led me to sobriety. That and AA. Oh, and the loving intervention of various boards, agencies, and close encounters with the law. And I got over the self-hatred eventually.
Incidentally, being a narcissist doesn’t keep one from hating themself! “I may not be much, but I’m all I think about” was a sentiment I identified with.
I never claimed that self-hatred comes only from religion. It can have many sources. But it is a shame when a belief system which in its origin seemed to have been about finding peace instead adds to the problem of self-hatred.
Well then you and I are mostly on the same page.
This is where I disagree. We may be mesmerized by the political implications of this story with respect to gay rights and the use of illicit drugs, but for me, cheating on my wife, drug abuse and lying would make me hate myself regardless of religion. And I don’t see self hatred as a problem. I see it as a primary motivator for recovery.
Well, I’m seeing him as a man who suppressed his attraction to other members of his own gender out of profound self-loathing due to his being raised in a faith which condemned a person for having such tendencies. Hence this self-loathing gay man forced himself to become what he wasn’t meant to be, a husband and a father.
Now I admit this is just my knee-jerk summation of his character based on what I’ve read, and it may not be true for him. But I know folks in real life who were told that homosexuals were evil in church when they were quite young, and when they found they had homosexual attractions themselves, hated themselves for it and tried to be what they weren’t. To the detriment of themselves and others.
What if I have to piss something awful? Like battery acid. What if I have to piss like a racehorse? What if I have to piss something awful like a rachorse? Bear in mind that my goal is not to put out the fire, but to register my contempt for the flagrante a’ flambee. What then?
I loathed myself because of my behavior when drinking. It drove me to embrace a solution. But I earned my self-loathing by what I did, not by what I was.
Unmerited self-hatred is a problem, though. Hate yourself because of your inborn programming to be attracted to your own sex? Doesn’t make sense to me.
In my religious community, we encourage people to accept their sexuality (among other things), and learn how to live with it within a healthy context.
Standing close, hands in your pockets, rocking on your heels and chuckling…pretty effective, more sanitary, less likely to attract the envy of the crowd…
Wait.
Unicorns are gay?
Do they like showtunes?
Woud a marshmallow on a stick be a bit too much on the nose? How about a marshmallow on the nose? These are sticky issues.
And speaking of sticky issues, did you hear the one about the evangelical president who was a minister to millions, and the gay male escort? No? That’s OK. it all came out in the wash.