One thing that bothered me.
If they know what the constellations look like from Earth, and the scrolls of Pythia say that those on earth could look out and see their 12 brothers, doesn’t that imply that someone went to earth and later came back to set up the whole tomb map?
That was a nice one.
I wonder if he’d say that in front of Roslin.
Actually, I know he would. I wonder how she’d react.
Hmm. Some interesting things going on.
Six keeps yammering on about “our” baby, yet now it’s clear the baby is Helo & Boomer’s. Yet, Baltar & Six appear to still consider it “their” baby. Should be interesting when the thing finally gets born.
Six isn’t a chip, yet she would appear to more than just a manifestation of Baltar’s imagination. On to Kobol…
Somebody’s got some pretty sophisticated VR technology. Or holodeck. What’s it going to be Mr. Moore? Was the group transported to Earth? Not likely. But they were able to create a very realistic looking simulated view from Earth. Did the Cylons get their hands on this technology? Is that what Six is?
I’m confused. See, the 13 tribes left Kobol. The 13th went to Earth. But according to this tomb of Athena, someone went to Earth, looked up and saw the constellations of their brothers in the stars, went back to Kobol, and added this info to the plane’arium. Right?
Oops, I see HPL beat me to that question.
Well, it’s all pretty contrived, I’ll agree, but I think it’s clear that the info about Earth came from the Lords of Kobol, who, whether gods or not, obviously had interstellar transportation (the “great ship”) and seem to have considered Earth special.
Anyone else agree Roslin is probably getting her “visions” from the Cylons? If so, what do you figure they’re up to steering the humans toward Earth? Maybe baby-HeloBoomer is meant to somehow infect the lost colony?
And don’t overlook Starbuck’s description of Caprica to Roslin: “They’re cleaning up the bodies, they’re moving in big machinery, they’re rebuilding the infrastructure…” Clearly, that’s part of the plan too. Whatever it is.
there doesnt need to be an explanation, what the hell? Sharon Knows Adama, she knows her twin killed him in what could only be a betrayal along the lines of father to daughter of COURSE Adama wants to know why who wouldnt? its only confusing because people are thinking of it along the lines of cylon death comunication or what ever instead of simple reasoning.
and Boomers redemption, there needed to be more to that scene. Adama should have had something more to say than “thats not military issue, where did she get it?” he should have been crapping his pants when she pulled that gun on him and at the very least and I think a couple seconds of Him obviously rethinking his opinion of her would have sufficed.
2 FRACKING WEEKS!!!
we will see a return to caprica for a resuce mission, inspite of what the pres and Adama have said, its to nice of a story line to just drop into nothing. that and Boomer will convince them its feasable to pull off a resuce mission.
By the way, survivor count from the opening credits: 47,855.
That bit with the constellations was the suck. As near as I could tell, each constellation was where one of the twelve colonies was supposed to be? If so, that makes * no * sense for many reasons, but the most prominent of them being that
a. Constellations are just imaginary constructs invented by shepards playing connect-the-dots with bright stars that may be 100’s of lightyears from each other.
b. Even if the constellations did identify unique locations, they are too widely spread apart to represent the 12 Colonies which, apparently, were fairly close together as far as astronomical distances go.
c. When the constellations were named on Earth (and their positions don’t remain constant over the millenia), we were not a spacefaring race. So what the hell? I guess we have to believe that the Greek Gods were actually Visitors from Beyond?
And, how come the Lords of Kobol had space travel, the ability to make teleporters or holographic projectors that last the millenia, but couldn’t simply write down their history in plain language instead of some stupid scripture? Or at least, you know, leave behind one of these?
I guess you could explain this by saying that the 12 colonies named their planets after familiar constellations, but really, the contrived nature of it all makes my head hurt.Definitely. The 12 colonies are all located in one system, so the constellations can’t be representations of their locations. They must just be symbolic. So, what Starbuck said was right. “We’re supposed to search the whole galaxy?” What Apollo said doesn’t make sense. “Earth must be somewhere in the direction of that nebula!” Why? Earth isn’t one of the zodiacal constellations, they were viewing everything from Earth’s vantage point. They’d have to have a pretty impressive astrometrics lab to chart what the nighttime sky looks like from every planet in the galaxy, also taking into account that this map is at least 2000 years old.
I don’t ever recall seeing anything that stated this. Everything indicates that each colony exists in its own solar system, up to and including the constellation display in the cave.
The fact that that many ships are equipped with FTL drives that can jump between systems confirms this. We know that a ship’s FTL jump range is limited, so why would they build many common-use ships (e.g. Colonial One) with interstellar FTL drives if no one lived outside a single solar system?
The idea of twelve habitable worlds orbiting a single star is awfully far-fetched.
I agree.** Lev**, I think you are mixing up Firefly with BSG. It speaks well of your taste in shows, if not your memory. 
Nope, I’m pretty sure I’n not wrong, as much as I wish I were.
Firefly is crazy because they’ve got hundreds of earth-like worlds in one system, but BSG is almost as bad with 12 colonies in one system. I’m almost certain I read in one of Ron Moore’s blogs that it’s silly, but it’s the way it was in the original series, and it’s the way it is now.
If you guys can come up with a cite proving me wrong on this, I’d be eternally grateful. I don’t like it anymore than you do.
They have FTL, but other than that Ragnor weapons depot place, they’ve used it mostly for zipping around their single system.
I understood it to mean that the first travelers to Earth were the ones who returned with the knowledge of Earth’s location, They noted that there were constellations in the sky that sort of looked like representations of the colonies; they applied their names to the constellations and the knowledge made it back to be used in the flags for the 12 Colonies.
I guess the tomb was an illusion (the constellations did not look real,) something set up as a reminder of the old days.
The bigger question is why is everything coded as myth? All the evidence points to someone coming to Kobol from Earth in the past, and the Tomb is a map to get back. If the 12 colonis and Kobol are the origin points of the race, it doesn’t make as much sense as Earth being the point of origin.
Why would the Lagoon Nebula be called M8? The Messier Catalog is a relatively recent invention. It is 5200 light years away, a skip and a jump compared to the size of the galaxy, and for it to appear similar to the Colonists it would have to be at a comparable distance from them. The nebula is in Sagitarrius, which is in the direction of the galactic center from us.
Pure speculation- the series is set in out far future, and they are our descendants trying to come home. That would explain why they have so much knowledge in common, and would make the ultimate goal of the Cylons easier- find all the humans by letting them find each other, then move in.
Of course, scriptwriters don’t care about any of this. It’s tough to make sense of a TV plot if it isn’t consistent.
Ah, here we go: (regarding the 12 colonies being in one system)
what I took from this and Adamas “thats a Loooong way from here” statment was that the nebula being visble from earth at least puts them in the ballpark, they will still have to figure out where earth is once they get there but as somone already pointed out…at least its not the whole galaxy.
“We know more about your religion than you do” may just mean that the Cylons are all intensely religious, they all know their own monotheism thoroughly, and part of that monotheism is stark contrast to the humans’ polytheism. Only a fraction of the humans took the ancient scrolls seriously enough to be familiar with them in detail. That’s just changed, though - Kobol itself and the tomb were solid evidence that the scrolls told a true story and Roslin has oracular power. I interpreted Adama’s acclamation of her in the closing ceremony to mean that he is now a believer and everyone else should be too.
Add me to the list of the confused about the sequence of colonization. Did humanity start on Earth, in ancient Greece at that, send a contingent to Kobol somehow (maybe Archimedes was smarter than we thought, or the Goa’uld kidnapped them for host bodies), and then for some as-yet-unstated reason there was a diaspora from there? Did the 13th colony then go *back * to Earth, which was already mythical even in ancient Kobol? That’s the only way I can make sense of it.
Bet Richard Hatch loved his lines about “killing Captain Apollo” - probably been dreaming about that for 25 years.
The “our” in “our baby” maybe just meant “we Cylons and you pitiful human who gets to witness the end of humanity”. Just hope she doesn’t have a lizard tongue, like the one at the end of “V”.
Frankly, I kind of hope they leave some aspects of the mythology and how it relates to the truth about humanity’s origins mysterious and allow for both a naturalistic and a spiritual or supernatural understanding of it.
I don’t think anything mentioned or shown onscreen states that the twelve colonies are in the same system or gives any indication of their relative location. So if you agree with Moore that it’s silly to have them in one system, you can just pretend they aren’t.
Either way, the constelations aren’t meant to show the locations of the other colonies, but of Earth, which is the only place the stars appear in those patterns. Pretty clever, I think, but almost useless as a starmap, since they don’t appear together like that.
well, I guess Number Sex could be a meat chip, as opposed to an electronic chip. since they can’t tell a Cylon from a human, and they have a way to download information from a dead Cylon, they must have some sort of meat vs electronic chip technology there.
This whole “am I real or not” aspect is starting to wear thin - hows about some information of the so called plan? My big fear is that the writers don’t have a plan, and it is going to end up an endless mumbo-jumbo instead of a coherent story, a fate foretold by the X Files.
I was wondering why they didn’t arrest Zarek - who did they think his number two guy was working for?