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I was actually fairly happy with how they ended the trial. Apollo’s speech was good, though kind of a “duh” moment. Granted, the trial shouldn’t have been put in the series in the first place…
The music for this episode is pretty good.
And, well, the end. Bah. Starbuck should stay dead… Apollo had better be crazy.
Minor hijack: what does Anders actually do on the Galactica? He wears a uniform, sleeps with the rest of the crew, and hangs out with all the other main characters. But did he ever actually sign up with the Colonial military, officially?
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Can only respond on the Anders thing (WTF to the rest). He is one of the new pilot trainees.
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Who were Baltar’s new friends? They’re not Cylons and I don’t think they’re just another group of civilians. Could they be Lords of Kobol?
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Nah, they’re probably just a group of random people that have decided to make Baltar the focus of some new cult. Of course, the cult seems to entirely consist of young hotties that will worship him.
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Fellated with great alacrity as expected.
What made Chief, Tighe, etc. believe themselves to be Cylons?
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The music. And Tigh as a Cylon changes everything. Even if he has fake memories Adama’s still know him since the first Cylon war. Now we can spend the next year speculating on who 1 is. The last Cylon to be revealed just has to be number 1 (unless Moore fucks with use some more and it’s number 12 . I don’t think it’s Roslin, but she was having visions of the opera house. It’s a great duality, the two human leaders of the Fleet both have Cylon’s as their seconds.
Looks like the rumored extra long episode was just a rumor.
The much ballyhoo’d spoilers were right on the money, but failed to do justice to that final sequence. Liked the surreal meld of a cover of “All Along the Watchtower” into the episode, and especially the finale sequence. I think that particular story was well executed. Just not so sure I like the story. Chief being a Cylon means there are now two known poptarts in the fleet. Tigh being a Cylon means most of what we thought we knew about the infiltration timeline is wrong. Tory and Anders being horny cylons could lead to a full blood cylon baby. Interesting dynamic in that all four know the others, and any one could out them all.
Topics for speculation for the forseeable future:
Does Rosilyn’s headache as they jump near the nebula mean she’s the last unknown Cylon?
What was/is Starbuck?
Sure looked like earth at the end. Wormhole?
More than half the known Cylon models are now on Galactica. Cylon Civil War? Are the pursuing Cylons the rogue models?
No! Not Tigh! Don’t take one of the most well-written human characters on TV and make him a cylon! I agree with Oakminster: I think the episode was well done, but I don’t like where it went.
The legal system has got to be in shambles now that they’ve officially decided the old rules don’t apply.
Did anyone else think Starbuck seemed very flat in her short scene? Admittedly, there wasn’t much to go on, but she seemed either very tired or missing the spunk she used to have.
Roslyn and Baltar were both in the opera house. They can’t both be cylons.
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What made Chief, Tighe, etc. believe themselves to be Cylons?
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They mentioned knowing when they were together. I got the impression that whatever signal sleeper cylons get to activate themselves, they got them, and they just knew. Unless something frakked with their heads…
I didn’t hate the “Watchtower” thing as much as I thought I would…And the version was pretty cool during the last minutes.
So to start next season we have…
The return of Starbuck
During a huge cylon attack
On the way to Earth
While 4 people on Galactica are now self-aware cylons
and Baltar has been whisked away by his ‘followers’
Bob Dylan apparently exists
This might not have been the best finale, but I think it sets up season 4 for some fun stuff. I’m looking forward to more story, and less filler episodes. Speaking of which, although I liked how the trail ended, it seems that they could have ended it last week and spent more time with other stuff this episode. It’s not like the verdict was this incredible, crushing moment in the show.
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All the folks hearing All Long the Watchtower are Cylons? Seems like they should think they are all hallucinating rather than being Cylons.
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Wow, will have to spend a few days thinking about this one!!
For now I will just say that the effects at the end of the show were really awesome for lack of a better adjective, and the music really surprised me (having stayed away from all spoiler threads) but was perfect. Maybe I am niave, but I was truly not expecting to see Starbuck and I am still not convinced she is a Cylon…I’m not even sure I’m convinced the others are Cylons.
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…Chief being a Cylon means there are now two known poptarts in the fleet…
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That or Cally cheated on him. It’ll be interesting if he realizes that Nick can’t be his. How the hell would he confront her?
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…1) Does Rosilyn’s headache as they jump near the nebula mean she’s the last unknown Cylon?
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Perhaps, she was the only human (besides Baltar) to have visions of the opera house.
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…2) What was/is Starbuck?
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Starbuck is either a Cylon or a Lord of Kobol. I’m thinking she might be the real Athena reborn.
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…3) Sure looked like earth at the end. Wormhole?
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Yep, it was Earth and Earth is the same planet as Earth, but when is it? Distant past? Distant future? If it’s present day things could get truly, make-us-want-to-ripe-our-eyes-out-of-their-sockets, horrific! :eek: The possiblities of that are terrifying.
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…4) More than half the known Cylon models are now on Galactica. Cylon Civil War? Are the pursuing Cylons the rogue models?
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There has to be mulitple Anderses, Tighs, etc with their own basestars. The “Final Five” seem to have been seperate from the “First Seven” for a while. And at least one model was extremely reverent toward them (& another spoke about them like that weird uncle/aunt/cousin everybody’s parents won’t talk about).
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…5) What will Baltar do…and who has him?..
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When Tigh first said, “There’s too much confusion,” I said to myself, “I can’t get no relief.” Maybe I’m a Cylon too.
Don’t know how Baltar can be soooo self-righteous when he knows he’s a complete traitor to the human race. Has he forgotten his collaboration, or is it just a case of arguing in favor of a lie so long that you start to believe it?
What made Apollo decide to go out in the Viper?
If Tyrol, Anders, Tori, and Tigh are Cylons, then we have one unknown left. Is it Roslin or is it Baltar? Can’t be both, right?
Dumb line of the night, by Tyrol: “We’re Cylons, and we have been from the start.” Duh. Can’t become a Cylon in the middle, Chief. And how did Tyrol conceive a child with Cally? Do we have another hybrid baby?
Do Cylons age? Tigh must have visibly aged in the time Adama’s known him.
Lots of questions. Can’t believe we have to wait until 2008 to get answers.
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That or Cally cheated on him. It’ll be interesting if he realizes that Nick can’t be his.
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Err, why not? Isn’t part of the framework (for lack of a better word) of the series that non-kitchen utensile cylons resemble humans down to the submicroscopic level? If Helo can impregnate Athena, why couldn’t Cally be impregnated by the Chief?
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Err, why not? Isn’t part of the framework (for lack of a better word) of the series that non-kitchen utensile cylons resemble humans down to the submicroscopic level? If Helo can impregnate Athena, why couldn’t Cally be impregnated by the Chief?
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Because we’ve been led to believe Cylons can’t reproduce with each other. That’s why Hera was such a big deal…
I have $5 on the 4 just having some sort of brain plant courtesy of the New Cap cylon penal system. Which just happened to frak up when they started picking up Sirius Radio through Starbuck’s wormhole. Or they are Cylon clones based on the real Tigh, Chief et al. (which would explain Nicky-he was conceived pre-Chief cloning).
Do you think Starbuck got to Earth, saw all the coffee shops bearing her name, and thought they worshipped her?
Regarding Earth, it must be somewhat near the present day on a geological timescale, because that was clearly the North American continent in its present form.
Of course, it could still be way before the dawn of human civilization…
. I don’t think it’s Roslin, but she was having visions of the opera house. It’s a great duality, the two human leaders of the Fleet both have Cylon’s as their seconds.
:eek: The possiblities of that are terrifying.