That’s just because I use big words, Joe. 
I think it is fair to say Season 3 can be considered mediocre until Crossroads, Part 1 aired. Started with a few kick ass episodes, then bogged down into some pure dreck. I’ve posted in other threads that The Adama Manuever is one of the greatest moments in televised asskicking. The collaborators deal wasn’t bad. I’m one of the few that liked The Dance. The Nazi Doctor ep is a hour of my life I wasted. Same with the thrice damned Dee/Lee/Kara/Anders Glactican Clusterfrak. Double with cheese for the Norma Rae episode. With a side of fries for the Throw Callie from the Battlestar ep. Started an upswing with Maelstrom. RDM hit the reset button again, which can been seen as a copout to a certain extent. Some people are going to hate what happened, and legitimately so. TWoP has been down since airtime, but I suspect there will be a near 50/50 split reaction to the finale.
Or, put another way, if people didn’t care about the show, they wouldn’t bitch about it. 
Strangely enough, after the boxing episode. I tried to start again, but the security guy being a drunk, whats her name in the cocoon and the beard were just too much.
Rent the DVDs and pick up from Season 2. It gets so much better it’s ridiculous.
That’s easy enough to check! Lemme go kill myself…brb.
Babylon 5 sucked ass, start to finish
My guess is that the final 5 were originally humans who started messing around with combining man and machine and used themselves as the test subjects, figured it out, set the process for letting the other 8 models evolve and then box themselves for some reason.
At least that’s the only way I can reason it.
I didn’t realise Kara Thrace was going to be fucking Gandalf. Shadowfax the Viper was looking particularly white wasn’t it? I lerve Katee Sackhoff though.
I liked the music.
Dunno, I found this season really great in the first half but by the second half I was often surfing the web and listening to the soundtrack without even watching the episode (kind of like listening to a radio program). Plus, the quality of the Itunes eps seems to have really really declined for me…anyone else having the same problem???
Michael Hogan has been the best part of the season for me, btw. Really loved the last scene of him at the end.
“I’m here for you Admiral!”
creeeepppppyyyy
One thing I learned posting at TWoP, is that some people continued to watch “Seventh Heaven” just so they could complain about it.
In light of that, sticking with BSG’s occasional wretchedly bad writing seems quite likely. And the writing is occasionally wretchedly bad – e.g., “The Woman King.”
So while I don’t understand people who continue to watch a show that they derive no enjoyment from, I’d say we won’t be denied the company of people complaining about BSG in 2008. Including, occasionally, me.
Maybe we could have a separate thread for bitching about the show.
Have to admit, that last shot (“camera movement” from one part of the galaxy another) was so cool that I rewound and watched it a couple of times. Didn’t look like they were that far away, surely less than 5,000 light years. (How big a jump can the fleet make?)
:dubious: There’ve been threads just for bitching about the show, IIRC. But it seems a little pointless to have a thread to discuss the episode where people are not allowed to criticize that episode.
If there’s actually someone whose disposition is so delicate that they can’t handle any criticism of the show, maybe a BSG gushing thread would be in order. Or if people think that someone is being so relentlessly negative as to derail the thread discussion, there’s always the Pit.
But if we’re discussing the episode, and someone thinks it was dookie, they should be able to present their case in the episode discussion thread.
I’ve been on and off with this show for the past 4 or 5 episodes…but I did take a look at the season finale, just to see what the cliff-hanger was going to be.
I’m not sure how I feel about the revelation of the 4 sleeper cylons. Not nearly enough information yet to guess on how that’ll effect both the plot and how I feel about the show.
As for Starbuck returning…maybe it’s because I haven’t watched much lately, but to me that harkened back to the original series and the guys in the glowing white ships. I think someone alluded to it upthread…wonder if the glowing aliens are going to make an appearance in this series as well.
Well, I for one am glad the trial is over. I thought part 1 of the finale was the worst episode of the season-- just a big yawn. Towards the end of this episode, I started counting the number of people who were hearing the music, and when it approached 5, I thought: Uh-oh, we got Cylons! I couldn’t remember, though, if Roslyn heard the music, too. I thought she did, but maybe not.
I too quit B5. In my case, it was in disgust at the cheesy resolution of the climactic battle of the Shadow War. The sinister forces against which our heroes have been battling for several seasons? All you had to do was say “go away”. Ugh. I quit watching after that episode and never looked back.
Anyway, back to BSG…
The sweeping, plot-driving elements of this episode were crammed in so fast and furious right at the end that we really don’t have enough clues to do more than wildly speculate – which is, I’m sure, the whole point of the cliffhanger. I would have preferred less of the trial and more of the Big Story, but I can understand how that might make it more difficult to leave so many unanswered questions before a hiatus of this length.
Are Tyrol/Tigh/Tori/Anders cylons? (And could they have chosen an alternative to Anders so that the Final Five could be brought to us by the letter T?) I suspect they are. They seemed a little too sure of that conclusion themselves for me to doubt it. We weren’t given enough direct evidence to prove it by any means, but their attitude indicated to me there was enough going on in their heads to convince them.
Who is number five of the Final Five? My bet is Starbuck, but I could easily see the intepretation that she’s another order of being altogether (Lord of Kobol, white-ship super-being, ascended, what have you). Other candidates so far mentioned are Roslin and Baltar. I don’t buy Roslin because of the cancer. I don’t buy Baltar mostly out of gut reaction, but I could probably rationalize it if really pressed. Any others I’m missing?
How did Starbuck get to earth and back? What did she find there? Who counts as the “us” she’s going to lead back? We don’t even have inklings of clues to speculate on the answers to any of these. All of it is bound to be wild guesswork, so I’m not even going to try to pin any of them down.
And is it just me, or did Apollo bear a bit of a resemblance to Michael J. Fox when he was on the stand?
I think Starbuck is alive and still human - the explosion that seemed to destroy her ship was an illusion projected into Lee’s brain, just like the raider she chased was projected into her brain.
OK, wait. Given the way this show harps on machines and gods, I would think that a Deus ex machina would be perfectly fitting. 
My only real complaint about the whole season (in retrospect) is that they should have “killed” her off much earlier in the season:
The could have easily picked up her storyline after New Caprica as the Leoben incidents were still fresh.
By mid-season, her storyline had pretty much stalled - I think there were several episodes where she was not much more than a cameo.
It would have made her return much more of a shock - I think to some extent many of us were expecting it.
Better yet, rather than an exploding Viper, it would have been better had they left her on New Caprica…her fate would have been unknown all season until she mysteriously appears in a Viper with the Cylon fleet offering to take them to Earth. Then her motives and character would really be open to interpretation.
It really would.
I also felt like the trial was really boring John Mace. I mean, come on, are they really going to get rid of their strongest actors? James Callis, Katee Sackhoff, EJO and Mary McDonald are “count-ons” I feel. They’re more likely to get rid of Penniket or Bamber first. The trial was a foregone conclusion.
Stuff really started picking up in the last 15 minutes. I wish they had resolved the stupid trial earlier and spent the whole episode on creepy atmospheric stuff rather than cramming it in the way they did.
Also loved the last shot.
I actually thought the trial worked within the internal logic of the show. Sure, Gaius was guilty as hell, but the prosecution hought it’d be a slam dunk and presented a weak case. The only annoying thing was the cut scene where everyone was going “no”
I’m tired of Starbuck and her storyline. Kill it.
Saul as a cylon. I had read spoilers and knew it was coming, but I still don’t bit. It simply doesn’t work. Sam, Chief and [whatserface] fit, but the XO…? It’s just added as a tywist and cliffhanger, but doesn’t work as more than that. I won’t be eager to check out what’s happening a year from now. I’ll probably be there, but not with anticipation.
For Saul to be a Cylon one (or both) of two things must be true; humanoid models have been around since the First Cylon War, or the Cylons are copies of real people. RDM has said the latter is not the case, but that was before Crossroads and he’s said the Final Five are “a different kind” of Cylon. Personally I’d rather Dualla or Gaeta come out of the electrical closet instead of Tigh.