Who are these assholes? I want names and addresses.
You need to have it explained. I will try.
The Left is not happy with Biden, or, for that matter, the Democratic Party. The Party has steadily nudged them out since Carter (who was a conservative), and has become just another tool of the plutocrats. They feel that they can get by without the Left, so the Left gets told to sit down and STFU, or even just to fuck off.
So where is there for the Left to go? The Democrats do not want them, do not even seem to want to acknowledge that the Left even exists. It is a pretty small contingent, but it may be enough to make the difference in a close election. The Middle is the big plum, but it is hard to hold on to, and ignoring the Left is a dubious strategy.
Obama turned out to be a major disappointment, failing to reverse some of the worst policies put in place by his predecessor. Biden was Obama’s right-hand man and did not seem to show any objection to Obama’s insipid leadership. So why should the Left have any enthusiasm for him? The Democratic Party has put themselves into a big hole and they continue to dig.
The Cheeto-Faced ShitGibbon will, unchecked, continue to ravage the country to the best of his ability. If there is any hope, it would be that he fully rips away the Republican façade to reveal the depraved, fetid ugliness within, and perhaps Left-ish policies might be seen as real solutions. Or the nation will cathartically collapse, which could allow things to get better – or worse.
Realistically, there is not much to hope for with either candidate. As far as I can tell, President Biden would be like morphine for a nation already on its last leg.
One needs to understand the mentality of such folks. I’ve had some small experience with them and I explain it thusly: To them a win is a win, that part is obvious. But, to them, a loss is also a win, because a loss will make things worse to the point where they can gather more followers for their point of view with “See, do you believe us now?” kinds of arguments. Where they error, in this particular case, is in the belief that another four years of trump (or merely, trumpism) is something that can be come back from, if you’ll forgive my tortured syntax there.
Bernie voters couldn’t be bothered to vote for Bernie, worrying about whether they will vote for Biden seems foolish. You can’t count on them so you have to ignore them and form a coalition that does not take them into account. Only people who vote get catered to.
Personally I think America is doomed regardless of how the 2020 election turns out. Even if by some miracle Bernie won the nomination, there is no way he has the skill or will to play hardball to be the modern day FDR and Biden is a complete joke. America was dealt a mortal blow with the Reagan Presidency and it has taken 30 years for it to finally start to bleed out. Death to America.
Like it or not there are not enough left voters to win 270 votes in EC. Don’t see that changing any time soon. They can win house and senate seats and state races like CA, NY, Mass, etc.
I’ve lived half my life in Canada. I’m a huge advocate for social democracies and my views on politics were shaped early on by P.E.Trudeau, “Towards a Just Society”. There is nothing a Bernie supporter can teach me about social democracies. Especially since so many of them don’t understand the difference between that and “democratic socialism”.
But I continue to be mystified by their attitudes and (lack of) understanding of American culture and society in which they live. Especially when they espouse views like the one above. It is entirely void of the reality and of what’s possible and good. To welcome something worse in order to make everyone finally see how right they are… well… calling it out as childish petulance is being kind. I would say another 4 years of Trump would be a good lesson for them, but I’ve realized their world view comes from a place so deeply vindictive and narrow minded that they absolutely relish the opportunity to cut off their own nose to spite everyone’s face. ‘Come the revolution…’, indeed.
Can Biden beat Trump? 
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There was a chance before the virus came, but now with the rally-around-the wartime-leader effect, along with huge opportunity for GOP cheating using the pandemic as an excuse, that chance has vanished. D’s may as well regroup and focus on unseating Pence in 2024.
“Rally around the left-of-center!” is a battle cry that might have worked. But the media stirs up shrill shit-storms. If/when votes are cast in November, they’ll mostly be cast for Hatred, not Hope.
if you find yourselves going in circles, you need to cut down on the revolutions
I personally do not advocate for “revolution”, because Pete Townshend was spot on when he said, “Meet the new boss: same as the old boss”, but the US system is deeply broken, and we have no one available to move it toward better. In the last half century, the Democrats have come in and carefully put the scotch tape back on the bandaids that they previously stuck over the damage that the Republicans have wracked up.
Your Canadian perspective is apparently inadequate, because the Canadian system is somewhat less fucked up. To the Left, the Democrats have increasing less to offer the country.
Obama’s ACA was designed in the early '90s by the right-wing Heritage Foundation, and they could not even work up the stones to put in a public option. There was an opportunity to rein in the USA PATRIOT Act that Bush/Cheney rammed through after 9/11– all the Democratic-controlled Congress had to do was let it lapse, but they were not able to do that.
There is no indication that Biden has anything to offer. He would be little more than a placeholder for the next round of Republicanihilism. We are running out of time, and SCotUS is already out of reach. Why should the left support a man who will do nothing but postpone the collapse of the country until the situation becomes entirely untenable?
I might vote for him (or whichever D is on the ballot) in November, but I live in a state where my vote does not count anyway, so maybe I will vote Green or something. But I will not express support for him.
It was not clear in my post, but I’ve lived and worked in the US for 20 years. I’m not a stranger to American politics and attitudes. The Sanders supporter “all or nothing” attitude is naive at best and will delay, if not outright harm, progressive politics and policies at worst. If you cannot compromise with those who will meet you half way, and threaten to vote in line with those who stand against everything you claim to stand for, then you are as bad as the MAGAcult. Worse, in fact, because you do so deliberately, out of vindictiveness. And it does not fool anyone at all when you dress it up as high moral principle aimed at a better future outcome. Whether through empty threats or petulant actions you are holding the good hostage for an ideal you do not even fully understand.
Some on the left will vote for Biden out of desperation, and one or two might advocate for him, but there is a great deal of apathy toward him. Fortunately for the Democrats, the left is a minority of their contingent, and they can probably safely ignore them, as they increasingly have been for the past half century. For some on the left, the attitude is that the Democratic Party has nothing to offer other than marginalizing the left more and more, so fuck them, let them fester in their own rightward decay.
Q.E.D.
Right. Agitators and trolls. They seem to have an endless faith that chaos leaves them on top of something.
My take is that Biden is HRC without all the unfair baggage. So he’ll cruise to a win in November. I’ll never really understand the average voter’s feelings towards the one and only legitimate female presidential candidate in our history; but they’re real and led us into this mess. Trump didn’t win, she failed to do so. Trump couldn’t win without massive help from the other side.
Now instead of a generally unliked candidate we have one who’s very much liked. Sure he does put his foot in his mouth on a regular basis; but you have to consider that he’s done that for 45 years so its pretty clearly not a sign that his brain is succumbing to old age. He just speaks from the heart without planning and vetting every comment. Which I think people like.
All this being said the virus has completely re-shuffled things so who the hell knows what will happen next November?
Is no one watchng turnps pressers? You still think he can win? Anyone still in a previrus world? How do you get back there?
For as long as I can suppress my gag reflex. But I also remember being absolutely sure the orange assclown could not possibly win in 2016. So yeah, he can win in 2020. The fuckery is baked in.
He is currently at +45%/-50% on 538, the highest he has been since late January of '17. As a parasite himself, it seems the virus is something he can identify with. I would not count him out because of this. The country may will be deep in the throes of a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome.
There might be some people who are swayed by outward signs of Presidentiality.
He hasn’t handled this crisis at all well behind the scenes. And this has even huger consequences than his normal fuckups/corruption since actual people are dying.
But instead of being in the negatives on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of “being Presidential”, after it became clear we weren’t going to “just wake up and one day it will just disappear”, he’s managed to move to around 1. Still the worst presidential performer ever, but not off the charts. Some people might be swayed by this outward appearance of normality if they don’t bother to look at what he’s actually doing to both actively and passively make this shitstorm worse than it has to be.
The girls need to save us. I can’t believe any females can watch his grotesque pressers and cast a vote for him no matter how horrible their husbands are.
Rogan just said he will vote for tormp over Biden if that’s the choice. After endorsing Sanders. You can’t trust men to do the right thing anymore. Joe is just a little scared patriarchy subscriber.
Biden cruising to a win? On this planet? Maybe in some other solar system.