Mitch thinks Biden can beat Trump…
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Can Biden lose to Trump is his approval rating is hovering at 40% and unemployment is at 10% with negative GDP in November?
Trump is polling 10% under Biden, unusual for a incumbent.
The present US mess with Covid 19 is trump’s fault, and people know it.
I wish you were right, but the Biden’s average lead is 7.4% currently. Which is still promising but only a few recent polls were 10% and most were less.
*Poll of the week: A NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Donald Trump 52% to 43% in a general election matchup.
An average of all polls this month puts Biden’s advantage at a similar 7 points.
What’s the point: For all intents and purposes, the general election campaign is underway. Yes, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is still running, but he has no realistic path to winning the Democratic nomination. That means that it’s Biden vs. Trump.
And the President starts out in a very unusual place for an incumbent: behind. Trump is the first incumbent president to be trailing at this point in the general election cycle (i.e. late March in the election year) since Harry Truman in 1948.*
Ok, ok that article sez 9 points, but I rounded. sue me. :smack:
One of the reasons Bernie must get out of the race is that him staying in is preventing surrogates – including the Obamas – from coming forward, endorsing Biden and getting busy on the campaign trail to draw the party together and make their cases for why Biden is preferable to Trump in the White House. Few will endorse before Bernie suspends so as to avoid offending Bernie’s base.
When people like the Obamas, Warren and yes, even Sanders, endorse are all out rowing in the same direction, we’ll see the Biden approval number climb.
Why do you think this?
I know Clintonistas love to blame Bernie for her loss instead of blaming her but the facts do not support, at all, that Sanders cost her the election. Sanders’ voters were more reliable in voting for the dem candidate, by far, than Clinton voters were in 2008.
If he was splitting the ticket, ala Ralph Nader in 2000, then you’d have a great case to make. I will never forgive Nader for his hubris in that election.
But this is not that. Clinton lost not because Bernie hurt her but because she sucked. Biden will likewise win or lose on his own and not because of Bernie. Indeed, Bernie will probably help because he will fully commit himself to seeing the next Dem candidate for president win.
Biden can and will beat Chump handily. Asked and answered. This thread can now be closed.
I will only look at polls in October after Trump has been going after Biden full bore for months.
It is different this time. Since Sanders is getting outright clobbered, his staying in won’t make the party look so divided. In fact, as I said in one of these threads, with no votes for 3 weeks, covid-19 and resulting lack of rallies I really doubt Sanders is even going to be mentioned in the news for a couple weeks at least. Ironically, the only way anyone is going to give him any attention is if he drops out.
Let’s all acknowledge that this once-in-a-century circumstance has tossed all previous predictive models into the proverbial cocked hat so virtually any result is possible in an election that won’t occur for seven months. Of course, Biden can beat trump but trump can also beat Biden. It’s Schrödinger’s election at this point and we won’t know if the cat is dead till we open the box.
Hillaries election was lost due to three things:
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The Comey Memo.
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Not campaigning enough in critical EC states.
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Negative campaigning by the kremlin- quite of but of which was cheerfully passed on the Bernie-bros because Bernie wouldnt concede and wouldnt lift a finger to rein them in. Caused voters to vote 3rd party or stay home.
Now, the election was so close that any of those would have been a Clinton win. So, altho by no means was the negative campaigning by Sanders & co the #1 cause, it might have cost Hillary the election.
Will Bernie " fully commit himself"? If he wanted Biden to win vs trump, why was Sanders spending millions of $$ on lying ads attacking Biden on SocSec? AFTER Super Tuesday?
Bernie has to concede and *then loudly and clearly tell his followers to stop attacking Biden. *
Are these Sanders commercial something people really saw or just imagined?
Politifact: Says Joe Biden “has advocated cutting Social Security for 40 years”
I think it’s fair to say Sanders intended it to be something people really saw.
Thank you, yep that sucks, especially in a major swing state. Sanders needs to stand down. Biden needs to go to him with some sort of peace offering and get it done before any damage is done. Biden has to beat Trump, Sanders has to realize this at this point.
The Peace Offering should be maybe a real say in picking the VP or some plank of Sanders that Biden hasn’t been on. Not sure which one. But the two of them need to get this done.
Do you have any evidence at all for this?
Please define “clobbered.”
Biden beat Bernie. That is at least some evidence that Biden will do better in the general election than Bernie would have. Maybe both of them would be Trump but Biden would beat him by more and that’s enough of a reason to nominate him over Bernie.
We need the moderates in swing states more than we need the Bernie bros in California and New York.
Double post.
A lot of connectivity issues today.
No chance of winning. Double digits losses last week.