Okay, so I don’t have to jump off a bridge just yet?
I was stupidly hoping that Texas would help Biden. Disillusioned again. Why do I keep hoping?
I predicted to my family that it would be very close but I am not dealing with it well.
In case I haven’t said it enough - fuck you Texas. Fuck. You.
Exactly.
Obama was looked at as an “outsider”. He was also young and yes, being black helped.
Trump was also an outsider.
Now the dems had a chance to nominate someone young in the primaries but they stuck with old Joe.
I’m sure she’ll feel comforted and righteous about that as Trump tosses her and her family over a wall into Mexico (nevermind if she is a US citizen or Mexican).
I considered that it would be really hard for me to stomach the idea of living in a Trump 2020 state. A Trump 2016 state is one thing, but one that unambiguously doubled down on the absolute shitfest that was Trump, it’s hard to imagine living in a place like that.
But then I’m not sure that actually makes rational sense. After all, a 51/49 split one way is a red state, and a 49/51 split the other way is a blue state. Is it really that big a difference? No, it just crosses a threshold.
I used to blow off all the people that used to threaten to leave the country when their preferred candidate lost - and to be fair, when we were talking about Clinton or Bush or Obama it was mostly just exaggerated posturing.
But Trump represents a real, significant regression of this country. It revealed an incredible amount of spite and hatred and ignorance and cult-like behavior at a way higher rate than anyone would’ve guessed before. I don’t think I want to be here anymore.
Are you holding this up as a reasonable or noble thing? You can vote for a guy who hates you, who wants to implement policies that hurt you, but… fuck trans people, so Trump it is? This seems like a textbook example of a shitty person Trump voter.
She should definitely keep an eye out for those face-eating leopards.
Speaking as someone born after Reagan, Obama is by far the most charismatic politician and the best campaigner I’ve seen in US politics in my lifetime.
I agree that Romney and McCain were pretty boring candidates and Trump tapped into something they didn’t tap into, but I think Obama would have won both races. Win or lose I’m still pretty disappointed in Biden, which might explain why he was an afterthought in the 2000s and only really came into prominence because the next wave of Democrats haven’t panned out. I do think we should give some more credit to Hillary Clinton - if she had the advantage of running against Trump after he completely bungled a pandemic response I think she would be more comfortably ahead right now.
EDIT: Also Romney was the GOP version of John Kerry in the sense that the GOP tried to campaign against Obamacare by running a candidate known for being the 1 Republican who basically supported a similar plan. Like how the Dems ran a campaign against the Iraq war by running a candidate who voted for it.
If you go by that theory, then the US as a whole has moved to the right. We’re discussing an election that’s on a knife’s edge, and where there’s a 1.8% difference in the popular vote. If the party of half the country had moved from centre-right to hard-right, while the left hasn’t moved, then the US is becoming more conservative. Considering that the US had a black president four years ago, and legalised gay marriage a bit before that, I’m not sure that’s accurate. It probably is accurate that the US has gotten more populist, but that’s not the same thing as conservative.
It’s part of the Equality Act.
Thanks for the response! I don’t really agree with a lot of it, but that’s probably for another thread.
Yes…the country has a whole has moved to the right.
What is considered liberal today used to be a moderate position.
My interpretation of this is that the country as a whole hasn’t moved that far-right, a relative minority of far-right wing nuts have taken over the Repub party and are convincing voters that it’s the Democrats who have gone far left.
Maybe it’s just me being overly pessimistic about the results, but I think the issue is there are too many voters who will vote based on wanting to “trigger the libs” than on any policy positions their own candidate holds.
I don’t think Democrats have anyone that can compete on the same basis. Obama himself would not have done any better than Biden did last night. Bill Clinton would not have done any better. Give me a time machine and bring Dwight Eisenhower to the present day from 1950 or Abe Lincoln from 1860 and they would not have done any better. There are simply too many MAGAs that have drank the coolaid.
Yup:
See @Kearsen1’s posts in this thread then see post #1410.
Although that relative minority is showing they are nearly 50% of this country so…
When Biden wins, I will be proud to say that I voted in the state that made all the difference.
But Trump hasnt done a single thing that would hurt her and she hasnt felt “hated” by Trump or any of his followers. She doesnt see Trump as the evil boogeyman the MSM paints him to be.
And yes, she’s also been called out as transphobic for her views but she is standing strong. She said she has no problem with trans people. Only she thinks they ought to have their own sports category. That is NOT “fuck trans people”.
Trump bungled the COVID-19 response badly, and should he win is set to make it even worse. That counts as hurting pretty much every American, maybe with the exception of hermits who literally never come in contact with other humans.
No, it’s always the Republican way to go. Somebody else does something wrong, it’s somebody else’s fault. A Republican does something wrong, it’s somebody else’s fault.
Democrats accept responsibility when we do something wrong. And we blame the Republicans when they do something wrong.
So I guess she’s not worried about health care, the environment, or COVID/pandemic readiness?
Separate but equal is a disgusting stance to have these days.
But that’s for a different thread.