Hopefully, but I doubt it. This thread has spun off in a different direction, and won’t be coming back anytime soon.
I suppose. But I guess I don’t see it as a “have a good boning so you’ll turn gay” sort of sentiment, nor as an “every straight man should get laid by another guy” thing.
I don’t really see the witnessing, just a specific suggestion to a specific person in a specific situation.
Without getting into the issues of who’s right and wrong here, it seems to me that that Ace is not being homophobic so much as inferring that Esprix is being hypocritical on the subject of hetero/homo relations. It’s not, IMO, a homophobic slur. If Ace had written “Esprix is a great, big, fag” then I’d say flame on. But that’s NOT what he did, although I would say that the OP is just a tad distorted and unecessarily hysterical.
C’mon, folks, let’s save our outrage for the genuine incidents of homophobia out there. IMO, this isn’t one (although I’m keeping my eyes open.)
And here we have the crux of the biscuit. Again, we find that communication with only text leaves a lot to be desired.
If Esprix said that with a wink and a smile that would be fine. But saying it here in jest is far open to negative interpretation.
If he really meant it, though, that’s pretty rude.
Ace, the problem with your logic is that gay does not equal heterophobic. If you had said “Esprix: hypocrite, asshole and also heterophobic,” not a person would be jumping on your semantics.
See, either you’re making a huge non-sequitur, or you’re calling all gay people straight-bashers. That’s the problem here.
MAEGLIN –
You will not be surprised to find that in 90 cases out of 100, you are correct – and the other ten better involve a long, fun night out and a lot of drinks.
My point is that unless you know the person you’re addressing very well indeed, this is a hugely rude thing to say. I think we can safely assume ESPRIX does not know ACE that well.
To simply say “ESPRIX thought it was an appropriate context; you, ACE, apparently disagree” seems to me to be evading the issue, because it is clearly an inappropriate thing to say in this context, and the fact that the insulter thought is was “appropriate” does not serve to make it appropriate by any reasonable standard. Which it wasn’t. Isn’t.
It’s a gift and a curse.
Don’t worry, I’ll be back.
Esprix
To all the posters: remember, there’s not a problem in this world that an evening with a hemaphrodite wouldn’t solve.
It’s as much witnessing as saying “You should really come to my church sometime. It would do you good.”
I’m intrigued by the logic behind such statements, i.e. the assumption that a certain action will lead to a change in modes of behavior. Does that mean a “good, deep, tonguing” would make a lesbian out of you?
Anyway, enough bullshit. For as long as I’ve been on this Board, Esprix has displayed his gayness as a badge of honor. I think it’s obvious that no straight person would say to Ace what Esprix did. Given all that, why is Ace “homophobic” for drawing as much attention to Esprixs’ gayness as Esprix does himself?
I agree with gobear. And the fact that I didn’t post this opinion until after an openly gay poster means something.
I was reading the gaybashing thread before… There are more offensive and important things to get in a tizzy about. Ace may well be homophobic, I don’t know, but I think there’s no evidence in this thread and the last that he is.
I also think Esprix’s comment was rude, but not inexcusably so. While it may have been awful if the roles were reversed, they weren’t.
And three that an evening with a hermphrodite wouldn’t engender.
A clip edited out of the Treehouse of Horror episode featuring Citizen Kang:
Kang and Kodos are having their final debate before election day:
Kang: Stiff cocks for EVERYONE.
A series of loud boos with intermingled cheering.
Kang looks around, sweating harder than Nixon during his debate with Kennedy.
Kang: NO COCKS FOR ANYONE!
A series of loud boos with intermingled cheering.
Kang looks around, fully perplexed.
Kang: Stiff cocks for SOME, hot pussy for others!
The crowd cheers wildly!
FWIW, I agree with gobear. Moreover, I think, Ace phrased his OP to specifically differentiate between “hypocrite” and “asshole” on the one hand and “gay” on the other. In other words, stating that he’s calling Esprix “a hypocrite and asshole who also happens to be gay” and not “a gay asshole hypocrite”.
I don’t see that at all. There’s no implication that all gays are heterophobic, just the implication that those who are get a free pass.
Given the fact that our little Esprix is a very popular poster and most don’t know Ace that well, we all know where this is gonna end up. Tempers flare and things get out of hand. Sometimes you have to take things people say with a grain of salt. I’d close this thread immediately. It serves no purpose, well, other than a chance to let Esprix know I still love him and he needs to come back to the East Coast.
I can see someone calling someone to the pit with hypocrite and asshole, but being gay shouldn’t have been mentioned.
I mena, we all know he’s gay…
Yo, Esprix! If you’re finished here, grab your socks, and I’ll drive you home! 
The OP could have been worded more carefully, but IMHO the point he is trying to get across is valid. If the shoe was on the other foot (Ace or almost anyone else for that matter) said such and such needed a hard dick in their ass, you could bet there would have been a pile-on from here to the moon.
Boom chika-wawa. This has been a Dark Brothers presentation.
Both sides have points here. I may be wrong, but I doubt ** Ace ** would be so upset if it were a woman who called him
and skeevy pipesmoker certainly sounds as it is meant as an insult. If he just called him a moron, it would be different. “Pipesmoker” does make it sound like being gay is intrinsically bad. But ** Esprix’s **
make it sound like being gay is intrinsically BETTER.
** Ace** has a point when he says
It would be considered an insult, and a gay bash.
When ** Maeglin** said
I assume he wasn’t saying that to a lesbian. More along the lines of “She should get laid” which is something I’ve had said to me too, BUT USUALLY BY PEOPLE WHO KNEW ME BETTER. But his remark was presumably not against her natural (for her) inclinations Esprix essentially said ** Ace** would be better off if he went against his inclinations.
I’m not saying ** Ace ** can’t be criticized for what he said, but most (not all) people skip over ** Esprix’s** remark. If you want to say “He’s a long-time poster, and didn’t mean it that way” or “He’s not like that, it’s an aberration.” OK. But it should be addressed. IMO they both stepped over the line.