You’re quite right, and I apologize for misremembering. Mea culpa!
OK, putting the whole OAOW matter aside for the moment, what we have here is the fact that last Night no one died, brewha was protected and hal briston was blocked (according to brewha).
I trust natlaw; I think he’s a real doctor, and that he really protected brewha. I don’t feel strongly about brewha; it’s possible he is Scum and possible that he’s Town. If he’s Scum, I doubt he blocked Hal Briston; in fact, if he’s Scum, I doubt he can Block at all. But OAOW claims to have been Blocked on Night Two. So if brewha is Scum, either OAOW is lying or Peeker blocked OAOW Night Two and told brewha about it. That’s plausible.
But if brewha is Scum, why didn’t anyone die last Night? If brewha is Scum, then no one was blocked and only brewha (himself a Scum) was Protected (unless Drain Bead successfully used the flower on someone who was attacked - possible, but unlikely.)
brewha, I’d like to confirm that you can block or not. I have one power left, and it’s useless: the incense that drives away third parties and Town, but not Scum. I want you to Block me, and I can tell Town in the morning whether or not you did (assuming I live through the Night).
In the meantime, I’m going to believe you, and vote Hal Briston.
I do want to clarify that I dont’ wholly believe that Hal is scum. I was merely trying to test in a way that would be definitive for me at least. But since he has a day power and especially since he didn’t use it anyway, it did me absolutely no good. It is very possible that he is scum - I just don’t want you to think that I’m campaigning to get him lynched.
As for tonight’s block. Go ahead and use your incense. I don’t know if I can commit to blocking you at this point, though. No matter how the power is used, I really don’t want scum to have a game plan of what the town is doing.
Let’s say I commit to blocking you. Scum could kill you off to implicate me. They could kill me off to prevent me from being confirmed. Or they could kill any town since I’d be blocking you and not them. Honestly, the chances of me guessing who is scum and picking the one that is doing the killing is slim, but if I"m to believe that you are not scum, my blocking you puts my chances of blocking scum at zero.
Now that all of that is out there, I’ll let the scum play WIFOM with it til Tomorrow morning.
brewha, I understand that you weren’t saying that Hal was Scum. When I say I believe you, I mean that you blocked Hal.
Do as you think best. I’m perfectly happy with the idea of being NK’ed anyway, as my powers are gone and I’m not a good player, so my value to Town is minuscule at this point.
The more I read this, the more I really don’t like it.
It’s one thing to say “oh, yeah I blocked Texcat and nothing happened”.
But to try and set a trap like this, the say you blocked “Hal” and that we should all look elsewhere?
What where you thinking? Didn’t you - at least a bit - wonder how this would look and what kind of trouble Texcat might end up with based on this post?
I’m bewildered. Can you explain what you’re asking here:
First, I’m assuming that the “the” should be “then”? And why Hal in quotes? But, the real question is, where did I say we should look elsewhere?
As far as what would happen to Texcat? Why do you think I blocked her the first night? I had and still have suspicions of her. Nothing really concrete. More just her posts and reactions. Plus Ryan Seacrest - really? I just wanna see his reaction when he goes in the chipper.
If Texcat gets strung up as a result of my deception, I suspect that it would be a good thing.
Here’s the bottom line. What good is a pro town role blocker? How can I possibly use my power to help town? If I do nothing, I get the “well, you must not really be able to block”. If I randomly guess, I could block a Vanilla who can neither confirm nor deny that I did anything, a pro town power role - which looks bad for me and hurts the town, or I could block scum.
But, even if I do get lucky and block scum, what good does that even do? I either blocked a scummy power role or I blocked a kill. But scum aren’t going to admit that they didn’t accomplish what they were intending. Or, I could have blocked a scum that just didn’t do anything that night too, I suppose. Any block of a scum is good, but is it worth the chance to block a pro town role since any block is more of a guess?
You picking up what I’m putting down? I wanted to carry out a plan that could conceivably confirm that Hal was either town or scum using a power that I could find no other use for. Like I said, it was a bad plan considering that Hal’s power aren’t blockable at night. But, if they were, I figured that the ends would have justified the means.
When I said “I can get behind that,” it was in response to this. I was posting from my phone, so I was trying to be brief. Also, apparently not using closing tags means that the tags don’t work. So much for that shortcut.
Here’s the thing, Total. I agree that what brewha did was not good Town play (although I understand his claimed rationale for a trap). But I can’t see the point to Scum’s not having any Night Kill last night. If Brewha is Scum, then either someone is not being open about Protecting a Townie (or being able to Block Scum), or Scum didn’t try a Night Kill, because they wouldn’t have tried to kill one of themselves, but brewha was the only person protected.
If they wanted to finger someone as Scum, so refrained from Killing, why wouldn’t brewha have again claimed to Block TexCat? That would just about have put the noose around TexCat’s neck. Well, there is one possibility; brewha might have been afraid that OAOW was staking out TexCat, so changed his claimed target for fear OAOW could say he hadn’t blocked her. Except that OAOW hasn’t been suspicious of brewha at all, because he says he was blocked Night Two, and assumes it was brewha who blocked him.
The whole thing is just too cumbersome. I can’t see a motive for Scum not killing last Night that doesn’t fall down under the enormous weight of twisty-turny deceptions of dubious value. The only thing I can figure is that either Scum tried to kill a protected Townie (brewha), or Scum tried to kill and were blocked. If it’s the former, I don’t have the remotest idea who Scum are. If it’s the latter, then it must have been Hal Briston.
Oh, and thanks for the invite, but I will be tied up with family stuff for the next couple of weeks.
brewha, you might have already stopped two kill from happening so I don’t see how you see your power as useless. More importantly you identify the killer on a successful block. Once I run out of talismans it will be easier to determine if your block are succesful.
Therefore, Oy!'s plan to confirm your power is useless. 1) Trust OaOW that youcan block or 2) Trust that I protected you last Night protect which makes it very unlikely you are scum with the no kill*. To a a 3) trust Oy that you can blocked adds not much usefull to 1 and 2. For the record I don’t see a reason for a scum OaOW to lie about if he was blocked or not.
Also assuming two scum Oy!'s pan is very pro-scum because they can choose to let another kill if they know the first will be blocked.
*) They are too far behind to choose not to kill in my view although having an investigator around who can watch after the fact makes it very dangerous.
Next: I read the Alien PM as that she could impregnate only one at the time so there is no worry there and if there were scum take priority.
First - you’re right.
Hal in quotes because I couldn’t remember his last name when typing.
Why would you ask Texcat if it was a “Coincidence?” and then later wave it off as you trying to set up a trap?
You must have know that Texcat would pick up on this. Answer this. So I figured that setting Texcat up like that was part of the trap?
Yet, you don’t seem to push Texcat ATM - you didn’t vote her or anything. So I (again) figured you where looking for scum elsewhere?
Now I’d wondering where? And why?
Oy! - Novice Witch (Inventor)
-gave flower to DB N1, DB confirms
-used doll on NAF N2, investigated as vanilla Grizzled Cop
-watched OaOW target Natlaw N4
-use mirror on Natlaw N5
Normal Phase - Mason and Investigator
-investigated Telcontar as killer of Chip N2
-investigated Mahaloth as taking the census N4
-investigated Cookies as killer of No Kami
Mrs. McGinty - Original Recipe Ash (Special)
-N2 protected Idle with a warning shot
-N4 set trap on special Ed
-N5 set trap on Normal Phase
-N6 set trap on Natlaw
Texcat - Ryan Seacrest (Vanilla)
One and Only Wanderers- Tabloid Hack (Investigator)
-watched NAF1138 targeted by GuiriEnEspana/Tom Scud and Idle Thoughts N1
-investigated Natlaw as Voodoo Witch Doctor, protective N4.
-tracked MrsMcGinty to Natlaw, aggressive N5
-investigated Cookies Alen powers, N6
USCDiver - Cameraman (Limited Watcher)
-can watch Necronomicom being passed
Natlaw - Voodoo Witch Doctor
-protected Oy! and himself N1
-protected Idle N2
-protected Stanislaus and Normal Phase N5
-protected brewha N6
15.** Hal Briston**- Coroner
-MHaye was definitely killed by a Deadite.
-Rysto’s death was definitely the work of Demons.
-Omi No Kami was not killed by a Deadite/Demon.
Nanook of the North Shore - The Narcoleptic Drunk (Vanilla)
lilflower - Stand-By (Backup)
-investigated Total Lost as not Demon N4
DEAD: Romanic (The Hitchhiker), Town Special - left Day One Oredigger77 (The Pharmaceutical Sales Representative), Town Vanilla - lynched Day One Chipacabra (The Complete A-Hole), Town Martyr - killed Night One MHaye (The Unctuous Plastic Surgeon), Town Vanilla - killed Night One peekercpa (Morphous, Nightmare Prince), Scum Role-Blocker - lynched Day Two NAF1138 (The Grizzled Cop), Town Vanilla Omi No Kami (The Stubborn Skeptic), Town Vanilla - killed Night Two Idle Thoughts (The Inexperienced Religious Figure), Town Investigator - combusted Night Two Rysto (The Grave Robber), Town Special - died Night Two Astral Rejection (The Trickster), Scum Special - died Night Two
**Telcontar **(The Demon Mook), Scum Goon - Lynched Day Three Suburban Plankton (The Crooked Local Politician), Town Vanilla - Lynched Day Four special ed (The King of Blades), Scum Strongman - died Night Four Tom Scud (Redshirt), PFK Necronomicon holder - Lynched Day Five Stanislaus (Improbably Talented Nerd), Mason Investigator - Killed by Alien Spawn Day Six CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (Alien), Serial Killer - Lynched Day Six
Because brewha blocked him one of those two Nights, so the lack of kill could still be due to the block, and more importantly because I want to try Normal’s idea.
Natlaw, do you have an updated claims list with links? I’m getting some of the roles and powers mixed up in my head and I’d like to go back over all the claims, but it would take me awhile to find them all.
I missed Nanook (sorry Nanook- but that can happen). As for the rest - we don’t know if they had any bonus.
If I’d been lynched Day 1, I bet I would have turned up “vanilla” but it seems I wasn’t.
We had a mass-claim. In my book that means we lynch vanillas and unconfirmed until we hit scum. Why else did we claim in the first place?
