I was never certain, but knowing the guy as both of us do, I felt the case against him was nowhere near as strong as everyone else around here believed.
What I find interesting is how quickly you assumed the dominant town mentality, and moved to throw Roman on the BBQ, ignoring how out of character a mistake like this would be for him as mafia.
Also, did it not occur to you that, regardless of whether he was scum, you and I would more effectively play ‘good cop’ with Roman, given how everyone else was baying for his blood?
What need for “good cop” in a game with no private chat? 100% public posting forces you to be more straightforward with your statements most of the time, because there’s no explaining to questioners in private what you really think, and why you’re being deceptive. Your public record is all you have; it’s the only thing you can point to for why you yourself should not be lynched and somebody else should.
And what need for “good cop” in a sure-lynch situation, anyway?
For your previous point – this “slip” happened to him as town. I don’t believe as you do, that he would be immune to such things as mafia, or even particularly less likely to make such a mistake as mafia than as town. People have brain farts, nobody’s immune to it. Regardless, what convinced me to change my vote, as I’ve said a couple of times previously, was the way he responded to my claim comments. I didn’t expect that from a town Romanic. I still find the whole thing a bit puzzling, even despite his “this will never convince anyone” role. I guess I don’t know him as well as I thought I did.
Saying it right now: I’m going for the book first chance I get, no asking.
Again, I don’t see the logic behind setting up these things or letting someone else just always keep it.
Look, you can’t delegate what happens with the book with 29 plus people in the game. Think of me as suspicious all you want, but when the book is up for grabs, I’m going for it. I would expect others to try for it too…not going to find anyone suspicious for trying to get the damn book…that’s what it’s there for.
Further to the previous point, in my experience it’s townies who are much more likely to make stupid mistakes, and I find it a little odd that the whole lynch policy around here seems to involve mass bandwagons on people who screw up and say something dumb. But I’m guess that’s probably a mistaken impression from my first day, right?
You seem to be overstating the general feeling of the town toward Romanic. I don’t recall anyone claiming there was an iron-clad case against him. He made an error that was simply too egregious to ignore, leading to the initial votes against him. And then he made the situation worse with his posting behavior leading up to his eventual Role Claim.
It’s not that everyone felt the case against him was “so strong”, but simply that the case against him was better than the case against anyone else. And for Day 1, that’s “good enough”.
You leapt immediately and unwaveringly to his defense, based exclusively on the premise that “Romanic wouldn’t make that kind of mistake if he were Scum”. And now seem to be attacking Normal for not joining you in that defense? Is that because you really think you should have all “stuck together” because of your history with each other, or is it because you knew for a fact that Romanic was Town all along?
I see the point; I just don’t agree with it. I do think that you believe it, but that doesn’t have much bearing on your state of mind in defending him so persistently – the whole point is that it is immensely easier for a scummy Mrs McGinty to conclude that Romanic’s slip was not something he would do as scum than it is for a town Mrs McGinty to do so. I think it’s possible you could come to that conclusion as town and stick to it through all the subsequent silliness, else I’d be voting you right now and not Oredigger, but that’s why I’m discussing you in the first place.
I’d say yes and no. Yes, because I’ve seen people voted on and lynched for dozens of reasons, not always coming down to just because they screwed up.
But no, because,–well, that does happen a lot in this game too. How does one know whether a mistake is a Town “screwing up” or a scum “making a slip”?
I’ve seen both say something accidentally and get caught for it. You can’t say that it doesn’t lead to scum,…I’ve seen it lead to scum many times.
Romantic said something very specific that just couldn’t be ignored. Yes, it’s unfortunate, but you can’t expect people to not have their concerns/suspicions raised.
We also don’t know him as well as you do…but, really, I think the whole “I know him and he wouldn’t be scum” thing is pointless anyway. It just doesn’t work. I know MHaye really well, and NAF, and Storyteller, and FCoD…but I would never say I knew them to the point where I would know if they were Town or Scum in a game.
What need for “good cop” in a game with no private chat?/QUOTE]
I’m surprised you have to ask. If a bandwagoned player (town or scum) thinks that someone doubts the case against him, he’s more likely to talk, thus benefitting the town.
mc ginty i don’t beleive that i have ever played with you or roman. and if i have and i forgot well then sorry.
what’s confusing to me is that you seem so convinced he was town. and i understand that metagame comes into play at certain points but your defense of him along the lines of he doesn’t pay attention when he is town is just all sorts of wrong.
it’s almost like you knew he would flip non scum. but shit i don’t think he was a mason, near as i can tell. the only folks that would know that he would flip not scum would be scum, right?
Snipped the rest of the post, but this post bothers me. You spend most of it talking about Guiri, then end up voting for Oredigger. If it weren’t for the fact that nobody else has mentioned Guiri, I’d think you were trying to get cred if Guiri later flips Scum by mentioning how scummy you thought he was. But if you truly are scumbuddies, this is something that could backfire if people actually buy your case against him. I find this more scummy when the player you don’t vote for actually has the potential to end up on the block. Still, I’m moderately pinged.
If I am Town and there is a bandwagon against me, I’m going to do any amount of talking necessary to try to clear my name, even if everyone else in the game is against me. I have nothing to lose, and everything to gain if I can prevent a mislynch.
But if i’m Scum, and there is someone else who’s “on my side”, I might try to lay low if I thought my ally might be able to convince the Town to move off of me, rather than opening my mouth and shoving my foot even farther down it. (Actually, I personally would probably keep right on talking until the noose cut me off, but that’s just because I don’t know when to shut up. But I can certainly understand how “a player” might want to keep relatively quiet in this situation.)
NOTE: These scenarios both assume it’s early in the game, like it is Today. In the later stages I might well take a different approach depending on the makeup and relative powers of the remaining players in the game.
I don’t like the case on Oredigger or Mrs McGinty.
Once Romanic messed up, pretty much all reaction to him was, as far as I’m concerned, a null tell. It was a huge mess up that pretty much had to be voted for, but it was also a huge bandwagon that anyone could hop on. Both Town and Scum could see both those things, and everything anyone said about it could be interpreted in light of either Town or Scum and make perfect sense. And now come the inevitable recriminations.
Going back to before Romanic had his brain fart, Naf1138 got the Necronomicon, and was openly very eager to get it. In fact, he was so eager that even though in Post 329 he says that he has to leave in 15 minutes (it is 2:20 at that time), he is the first to get the Necronomicon at 3:00. In fact, he is still around at 3:19 in Post #355 and 3:42 in post #362. Come to think of it, he’s still around at 4:56, in Post #396. Guess whatever he had to leave for wasn’t that important.
There were a number of people eager to get it, so that in itself is not all that suspicious, but it does strike me as an item that would be more useful to Scum than to Town, at least in Evil Dead the first. But he also was, in post #328, the first player to offer up the idea of a mass claim. He was mildly pushing the idea (albeit with several players chiming in about instances where it was successful) when Drain Bead chimes in with the idea of posting a sentence or two of color from our PMs in post #334. In post #342, Naf1138 again defends the discussion of mass claiming, and adds
That could be a simple admission of fact, or an excuse for playing differently from the way he has in the past. I don’t know well enough to judge.
In post #362, Naf has switched over to Drain’s bits of color idea.
Now, here is the Vanilla town posts in Evil Dead I:
and here is Romanic’s actual PM:
Is there any way that a piece of the latter (the real, non-Vanilla PM) could possibly be posted without revealing that it is not vanilla to anyone with access to a vanilla PM?
Drain Bead didn’t play Evil Dead 1, and in the game she just played (LotR), there were pieces of color that overlapped in both vanilla and power roles. But both NAF1138 and Total Lost played Evil Dead 1. They should know that if there are vanilla roles in this game, they are likely to be identical, and that non-vanilla roles are likely to be wildly different from the vanilla PM(s) and each other. Yet both pushed the idea of mass posting bits of color from the PMs.
This strikes me as fishing, and thus fishy. I don’t have anything else compelling to vote on, so Vote NAF1138, and a second, non-binding vote on Total Lost.
As I’ve already said, the post mentions Guiri more than **Ore ** because I’m explaining why I find Guiri suspicious…whereas with Ore, it should already be understood.
I then, after explaining why I find Guiri suspicious, vote for Ore. I did say both of them are about tied, in case you forgot (or skimmed over that). I went with Ore.
So what am I missing here? Seems to me you’re saying I should have just said “I find Guiri suspicious” and not said why.
