What’s a “PFK”? I didn’t follow that game.
“playing for keeps”
Which is a terrible misnomer. Roosh and Diomedes put the PFK label on players regardless of whether or not they actually were playing for keeps (i.e., individual win).
To Roosh and Diomedes, PFK was anyone who wasn’t Town and wasn’t Scum. Unfortunately, they applied the PFK monkier to innocuous survivor roles and roles that did not effect the scum v. town win conditions.
PFK seems to have stuck, though the meaning has never really been hashed out formally.
Well, if you ever get some time to spare, you might want to look at its archive on the off-board game site. From what I understand, it was a setup unlike anything tried before. There were 8 players who would always be town, and win/lose with town no matter what (3 of them were role-blockers, and of those 3, I had the most powerful one-shot in the game, and another was a doc/blocker combo). There were 5 scum who could communicate with each other at night from the beginnning, four of whom were costumed superheores, and the other one (Alfred) who had a retalitory daykill (and the only physical kill that scum had, everything else was them knocking people out). There was 1 scum (detective) who couldn’t communicate with the other scum until either he investigated one of the costumed scum (i.e. everyone but Alfred) or the scum tried a “nightkill” on him (in which case they would recognize him and he’d get to join them on the scumboard). Then there were 3 masons and their leader the Penguin. They won with town, unless, at the end, Town met it’s win condition and the number of Masons alive was greater than the number of other townies alive, in which case the Masons would steal the win. However, only the Penguin knew of this, the other Masons thought they were standard town all the way. Town had two detectives: one was a name detective/mandatory vig combo. (50% shot of killing the investigee) and was among the 8 full townies, the other was a alignment detective (Harley Quinn, played by Rysto). However, should the alignment detective investigate Joker, the character becomes a team with Joker and becomes a nighttime serial killer/detective combo. Joker himself was an unblockable daytime serial killer. The remaining 4 players were full PFK including a nighttime serial killer, a mad bomber, a figure out who’s role is who gameplayer (Riddler, who was “allied” in a way with the nighttime SK), and a survivor.
Now, town only lynched a town once. We also never nightkilled any townies. Even if you count PFK lynches as mislynches, we only lynched 3 PFK, (of the other 2 full PFK, the night SK was taken out by the day SK and Riddler was whacked by scum). We did however, have a modkill when one of our masons had to pull out of the game.
Now with a grand total of four mislynches (3 of whom weren’t town elements) plus a mod-kill in a 25 person game, we still essentially got ourselves down to a lynch-or-lose situation. There was no way to assess the danger level of the PFK’s which is why we lynched them. Story after looking at the setup was a bit annoyed, because he viewed town as having a significant disadvantage going into it, considering there were only 8 full out townies, and 3 more that acted pro-town all the way. Everyone else had an anti-town agenda of some sort. (Except for maybe the Riddler, who had no agenda but his own. But he did play pro-town knowing that the lynch was more dangerous than the night kill, and town was going to help him win his game better than scum would.)
The Town never night-killed, period. The Vig was Day-Killed before his power activated and the Cop/Vig never killed.
True, but I was just emphasizing the point that there was never any town-on-town violence with the exception of our lynch of Atarus/Pollux Oil.
Only one kill! And it was almost zero.
Makes note to add even more killing roles next time 
Back on the normal schedule, I wonder how things will go Today.
It’s a small thing, but stating that NBC was part of the “same Cabal” as Darth Sensitive lightly hints at the existence of a Cabal that is not the same as Darth Sensitive. I’m surprised no one mentioned that.
So NBC really did give himself away didn’t he? It’s funny that town caught him with the vote record (which surprised me), but I think NBC’s behavior with brewha (accepting brewha’s data without question) was more telling that NBC was Cabal.
The lack of night kills supports the theory that pedescribe is a Vampire. Only one person could possibly be protected (by the Witches). The only other kill-stopping can come from a Cabal Role-block. So if pedescribe is a Vampire, then there would only need to be one protection or role-block. If pedescribe is not a Vampire, then there would need to be two. That plus Pleonast saying there was nearly ZERO kills implies that the former is more likely. The only way for Zero kills to happen is killers gunning for the same target that is being protected, which I guess is possible and makes me believe Nanook is a Witch.
Anyway, my running theory is Nanook is a Witch (protected from kill)
pedescribe is a Vampire (not that it matters anymore)
I still think Oredigger is a Vigilante.
I wonder what Santo Rugger was. Probably a Mason. The masons die so quick in this game :D.
But that’s just silly of me. If Town is lucky, then Santo Rugger is merely a Mason, but I don’t think Town can expect to be so lucky.
The Town really doesn’t have much to work with at this point. It’s Day Three and the lynch is likely going to be a random shot. Oh wait. I’m hoping a Detective investigated Santo Rugger and got a result, that would be cool. If a Detective investigated Santo Rugger and knows a wolf, that Detective should very much claim Today. Not immediately, but in a few days. Actually, now that I think about it, any Detectives with info should have claimed last Night. Oh well.
At least any Detectives will have an easy choice for Today.
Conspiracy is really hard on the Cabal members.
Although in fairness, some of the rapid death of Cabal members this time around is just bad luck. But we’re up to two confirmed dead Cabal members, two confirmed town deaths, and no confirmed dead wolves or vampires. But yeah, I’m voting for pedescribe being a vampire, as well. Which causes me a slight problem, because brewha was killed by a vampire, which either means there are multiple vampires, or CatInASuit is lying scum. (Or, I suppose, both. Or, I’m missing something–also very possible).
I think multiple Vampires is the cleanest explanation for the 3 Night One deaths. 2 Vampire, 1 Wolf.
Cabal was more unlucky in C1. Only one was lynched, the other two were caught in scum crossfire. I expect the number of Cabal to be significantly higher. I think Pleonast already gave away that Wolves are the most numerous scum, which surprises me since I thought Cabal would have been beefed up significantly from the last game.
CatInASuit being alive is problematic for his roleclaim. Town shouldn’t lynch quite yet, but the Wolves really don’t want a Detective around if they can help it. Either CatInASuit is a Wolf that that is why he is still alive (and presumably has been doing the Night kills since he’s exposed already).
The alternatives are:
- that CatInASuit is not a Wolf and was protected by the Witches (Nanook is not a Witch).
- CatInASuit is a Vampire and doesn’t fear Wolf directed Nightkills (actually Detective is the perfect roleclaim for a Vampire).
I’m not sure. CatInASuit’s Day One behavior seemed so town to me that I think he is telling the truth.
Uh, Dio, why haven’t you considered the possibility that pedescribe was a Vampire? That would only necessitate one kill being blocked last Night.
If pedescribe comes up Wolf, I’d lynch Dio immediately.
So how about next time running a Redneck variant, where everybody has (at least) one day-kill action?
I saw this run over on Mafiascum, and somebody talked the whole game into a big shooting circle to flush out scum. Incredibly enough, it worked, and the Town won on Day 2.
Have I missed something? is there any reason why nobody is considering the possibility that pedescribe was a Vampire?
I’m not sure what Dio’s game is here. There’s no chance that his claim is true: first, he shouldn’t have known that pedescribe was a Vampire, and second, he never considered that pedescribe could be a Vampire just a few short posts ago. I thought that maybe he was trying to convince the Witches to move their protection from Nanook to CIAS, but the Witches know that Dio is lying. Colour me confused.
The game practically plays itself!
I think Nanook is right to hold off on information until midDay. If he had announced immediately at Dawn, there would be very little discussion. As it is, there isn’t a whole lot of discussion; but at least there was something going on around Omi no Kami.
I really wish I could comment here. 
My feeling that ShadowFacts is scum is growing, but the volume of posts makes me doubt my feelings. I feel the tone and direction of Shadowfacts is noticably different in this game than in previous ones. His statement that he looks at statements and thinks “Why would scum do this?” makes me want to tear my hair out. That type of thinking is precisely what Scum should do and what Town should NOT do. It is too easy to look at statements and come up with a scum motivation for them.
“He’s trying to get a power role lynched”
“He’s trying to out a power role”
“He’s trying to gain Townie credibility”
blah blah blah, if you want a statement to look scummy, it’s trivially easy to think up a scenario where that is so.
Furthermore, this is precisely what scum want to do: take innocuous town statements and cast them in a scummy light.
Gah!
Anyway, I didn’t feel Shadowfacts took this tone in his gameplay before (as Town), so I’m thinking scum.
My main concern is that ShadowFacts is an easy target since he is so vocal, which is a Town characteristic, not a scummy one.
Time will tell.
So much for our collective ability to identify Vampires, . . .
On the other hand, I was beginning to be concerned by the lack of dead Wolves, and we now have one dead Wolf announced.
And our second modkill for failure to show up and vote. First one has been revealed to have been town–which is bad for town just because there are so many scum factions that the loss of any townie is a significant blow.
With pedescribe coming up as a Wolf I’d bet anything that Squid is one too. I would not be surprised if CIAS comes back with Squid’s name as a killer.
I really wish I could comment more in depth here. Especially in response to you, Rysto.
Just let me say that I did have a certain (if outlandish) method to my madness.
Eh, just post it all in the spoiler thread and I’ll see it eventually.